Ron Lyle vs Deontay Wilder

[them_apples]

What "good boxing skills" did Lyle have? In what fight(s) did he demonstrate them? What was his best performance? How do you explain away his loss to Quarry?

Carnera and Wilder fight nothing alike. Wilder is most like Johansson; who, with very limited experience, smoked Machen and Patterson.

So first of all, he's not an incredible boxer so let's not imply that I said that. But he is considerably better skilled than Wilder. Considerably.

Wilder can't throw a proper jab, for 2 reasons, he holds his arm in the wrong position, angled out like a chicken wing. So his shoulder is always tight. You don't throw a jab with the shoulder muscle to begin with (unless it's an up jab, which he's not throwing) you throw it with the tricep and step with it. Wilder never lands jabs because his opponents see it coming a mile away

His legs are too far apart and he's too heavy. When you plant your feet you hit harder as in the term sitting down, for him it's not on purpose though, he can't help it. There's no transition from sitting and boxing with Wilder. Just 2 awkward skinny legs in a wide ass stance giving him no ability to properly move around.

His hooks he turns his entire body so he loses balance when he misses. You are supposed to only mildly engage your hips. This is why Wilder "can't box". He's in no position to throw after missing, and can't counter because his feet and the way he throws his punches leaves him no room for error. Even guys like Baer mixed up their Wild punches with short bait punches or inside work. Wilder doesn't know how to do this. He's actually an amateur through and through.

I don't need to go on about his defensive flaws. He doesn't ride any of the punches he simply puts his hands up and wishes.

[BKM-]

Max Baer was a good fighter

Max Baer was a horrible fighter. A wild drunk who looked like a clown in the ring, with mythical punching power even though he'd swing and hit guys while they stayed standing. You let Wilder hit those bums once and they're off on a stretcher. So were Carnera and Galento. Those are the fighters you worship while slagging off modern fighters.

you just don't know what you are watching because you have never boxed.

Aren't you the malnourished midget who posted a couple of speedbag videos? And now you think you're a boxer who can pull the "you never fought" card? Please, kid.

Same goes for Lyle, he's twice as skilled as Wilder. He throws balanced shots and places them. He changes his speed up, changes his rythm up. All textbook stuff. He doesn't do a 360 when he misses.

LOL textbook stuff. Watch his fights more closely, arse wipe. He fights exactly like a former prisoner who started boxing late. Look at his footwork and the fact that his only success came by way of natural punching power.

Baer was a very reckless fighter, but he had fighting skills. You don't know what you are watching that's the problem. You think skills are just who returns their hands back to the same position perfectly. Or if a fighter constantly keeps his stance perfect. It's really all just aesthetic bull**** that looks nice to someone who doesn't understand the sweet science. Boxing is all about timing and feints, a guy like gene Fullmer probably looks like a wild swinging bum to you, but he's actually a crafty and difficult fighter for anyone.

No I explained to you why Lyle wasn't a skilled boxer at all. Take away his power and you don't have anything impressive left, yet he was a top guy in the golden era.

Baer had no footwork, swung wild arm punches, had no concept of defense and was generally a joke. Ironic that you accuse the same about Wilder, isn't it?

I don't have old time bias, the games just changed. Fury exposed Wilder for the clown that he is. Fury uses old school tricks he copied from old fighters, textbook **** they all did. He understood Wilder was just a modern day hypejob clown who was putting on an act and really isn't a killer at all.

You don't just have "old time bias" you have severe daddy issues.

Every thread you make on here you have to mention what a good boy you are for "changing" and loving old fighters now. constantly looking for compliments and love from a father you never had.

You try to impress the old men on this site but they can see you're a poser. Stop trying so hard. You've always been on one side of the extreme.

[Rusty Tromboni]

So first of all, he's not an incredible boxer so let's not imply that I said that. But he is considerably better skilled than Wilder. Considerably.

Wilder can't throw a proper jab, for 2 reasons, he holds his arm in the wrong position, angled out like a chicken wing. So his shoulder is always tight. You don't throw a jab with the shoulder muscle to begin with (unless it's an up jab, which he's not throwing) you throw it with the tricep and step with it. Wilder never lands jabs because his opponents see it coming a mile away

His legs are too far apart and he's too heavy. When you plant your feet you hit harder as in the term sitting down, for him it's not on purpose though, he can't help it. There's no transition from sitting and boxing with Wilder. Just 2 awkward skinny legs in a wide ass stance giving him no ability to properly move around.

His hooks he turns his entire body so he loses balance when he misses. You are supposed to only mildly engage your hips. This is why Wilder "can't box". He's in no position to throw after missing, and can't counter because his feet and the way he throws his punches leaves him no room for error. Even guys like Baer mixed up their Wild punches with short bait punches or inside work. Wilder doesn't know how to do this. He's actually an amateur through and through.

I don't need to go on about his defensive flaws. He doesn't ride any of the punches he simply puts his hands up and wishes.

Dude, we're tracking: Wilder sucks on sooo many levels. No one's suggesting he's a skilled Boxer, so no need for the lengthy explanation.

The part you neglected is that he makes dudes' heads explode. Lyle couldn't Box. And he couldn't hurt guys like Wilder does. No one in that era could.

You over glorify fighters of the past. It seriously devalues your opinion, which is a shame because you often have meaningful insights.

[Rusty Tromboni]

So first of all, he's not an incredible boxer so let's not imply that I said that. But he is considerably better skilled than Wilder. Considerably.

Wilder can't throw a proper jab, for 2 reasons, he holds his arm in the wrong position, angled out like a chicken wing. So his shoulder is always tight. You don't throw a jab with the shoulder muscle to begin with (unless it's an up jab, which he's not throwing) you throw it with the tricep and step with it. Wilder never lands jabs because his opponents see it coming a mile away

His legs are too far apart and he's too heavy. When you plant your feet you hit harder as in the term sitting down, for him it's not on purpose though, he can't help it. There's no transition from sitting and boxing with Wilder. Just 2 awkward skinny legs in a wide ass stance giving him no ability to properly move around.

His hooks he turns his entire body so he loses balance when he misses. You are supposed to only mildly engage your hips. This is why Wilder "can't box". He's in no position to throw after missing, and can't counter because his feet and the way he throws his punches leaves him no room for error. Even guys like Baer mixed up their Wild punches with short bait punches or inside work. Wilder doesn't know how to do this. He's actually an amateur through and through.

I don't need to go on about his defensive flaws. He doesn't ride any of the punches he simply puts his hands up and wishes.

So I guess Tommy Loughran licks Ali in a landslide decision?

[them_apples]

Max Baer was a horrible fighter. A wild drunk who looked like a clown in the ring, with mythical punching power even though he'd swing and hit guys while they stayed standing. You let Wilder hit those bums once and they're off on a stretcher. So were Carnera and Galento. Those are the fighters you worship while slagging off modern fighters.



Aren't you the malnourished midget who posted a couple of speedbag videos? And now you think you're a boxer who can pull the "you never fought" card? Please, kid.



LOL textbook stuff. Watch his fights more closely, arse wipe. He fights exactly like a former prisoner who started boxing late. Look at his footwork and the fact that his only success came by way of natural punching power.



No I explained to you why Lyle wasn't a skilled boxer at all. Take away his power and you don't have anything impressive left, yet he was a top guy in the golden era.

Baer had no footwork, swung wild arm punches, had no concept of defense and was generally a joke. Ironic that you accuse the same about Wilder, isn't it?



You don't just have "old time bias" you have severe daddy issues.

Every thread you make on here you have to mention what a good boy you are for "changing" and loving old fighters now. constantly looking for compliments and love from a father you never had.

You try to impress the old men on this site but they can see you're a poser. Stop trying so hard. You've always been on one side of the extreme.

Nah I made one thread like that. Then I mocked you for making a thread about the rocky movies. And now you are mad about it. Lol

It really bothered you too, you have brought it up multiple times. Hate the fact that I patted myself on the back.

It is now your job to ensure I don't feel good about myself for knowing more about boxing then you.

I gotta stick up for the old fighters to counter the deluded clowns on here that don't know anything about them. That's the real reason for my crusade.

And no that's not me, I never posted videos of me hitting a speed bag.

[them_apples]

So I guess Tommy Loughran licks Ali in a landslide decision?

Loughrans a good fighter. I know you are obsessed with him so you might even be serious. I don't think he beats Ali though.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Nah I made one thread like that. Then I mocked you for making a thread about the rocky movies. And now you are mad about it. Lol

It really bothered you too, you have brought it up multiple times. Hate the fact that I patted myself on the back.

It is now your job to ensure I don't feel good about myself for knowing more about boxing then you.

I gotta stick up for the old fighters to counter the deluded clowns on here that don't know anything about them. That's the real reason for my crusade.

And no that's not me, I never posted videos of me hitting a speed bag. Lol the word malnourished sounds like something a fat girl says to a fit girl. I guarantee your just some insecure fat slob and that's why you are taking it so personally.

There isn't a bigger advocate for old time fighters than myself. But i know reality is nuanced. You take it too far.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Loughrans a good fighter. I know you are obsessed with him so you might even be serious. I don't think he beats Ali though.

So the laws of physics only apply as they suit your favorites.

[them_apples]

There isn't a bigger advocate for old time fighters than myself. But i know reality is nuanced. You take it too far.

Ok I'll admit, I have taken it too far on some occasions. But only to counter how far people take their views on modern boxers. A guy like Wilder gets put beside Ali because he knocks a guy like Stiverne out. I fight fire with fire

[them_apples]

So the laws of physics only apply as they suit your favorites.

What are you implying? That Loughran fights like Wilder? They have 0 similarities. Loughrans jab was great