Do heavier modern heavyweights hit harder than lighter heavyweights from the 80's

[MaxT]

Jess's jab was like a piston, his right a steam hammer, his lefhook a wrecking ball.

Among we big men there is a tacit understanding that we would simply throw away any man less than about 160 lbs. who messed with us on the street. To merely bump such a man roughly would usually be enough to dispatch him.

I'm an awful big man, so I should know. Fellas, don't mess with a big man. There is too much risk for you little guys!

Let me tell you how hard I hit. On several fights I missed the first punch and had my opponent resign right there anyway because of a near death experience. Strange but true.

Thats true if you are a big man and your opponent is average with simular skills.

If your opponent is big man too and/or skill level are not in your favor, situation change conciderably.

After some limit extra weight and size doesnt add much to your abilities.

[AlexKid]

Thats true if you are a big man and your opponent is average with simular skills.

If your opponent is big man too and/or skill level are not in your favor, situation change conciderably.

After some limit extra weight and size doesnt add much to your abilities.

Those big men, interesting to hear about, heavy hands , watch out , they generally cant catch you and are more vulnerable than they seem with that lack of mobility, you decide when to leave they cant decide



I like you max T I think maybe you are my apprentice

[The Old LefHook]

I am a big, big, big man, kid. My mitts can span a tennis racket, by buggery.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Wider is no boxer. He can't box with anyone who have idea how to do it. Period. But he can try and KO the guy.

But he have pretty good phisique. Wider have a best body in modern boxing: he is tall, lean, no excess fat or muscle.
And he is explosive.
Wilders phisical shape is better than thouse of either Klitchko or Lewis.
But Wilders boxing abilityes is still poor. Yes, he started late, but guys like Mercer, Liston, Qawi start late.

Davaril Williamson started at 25 with simular (but not so impressive) phisique, but he never was THAT bad.

Wilders punching is way to wild. He trew his right like a baseball pitcher.

In terms of profesional career Wilder is scavenger: whenever his team saw somebody still rated, but allready dead of his feet (or, better, slightly rotten) they immidiately get him to fight.

Wilder fought only on this terms, otherwise his team did everething to cancell fight.

And yet he's stopped every opponent he's faced not named tyson fury. And even fury almost went out.

you can say that wasn't the best version of fury, and fury got complacent (all true), but no other heavyweight would have done to Fury what Wilder did that night. Not even close.

Wilder is imperfect, but at that size, you don't need to be perfect. You just gotta hold your s h i t together until the KO opportunity presents itself.

It's even more extreme in MMA: look at Derrick Lewis and look at Frankie Edgar or Dom Cruz.

When your big, it's about who makes the first mistake and who capitalizes best.

[QueensburyRules]

When your big, it's about who makes the first mistake and who capitalizes best.

- -When you're big, best not be Deyonce ******.

[MaxT]

And yet he's stopped every opponent he's faced not named tyson fury. And even fury almost went out.

you can say that wasn't the best version of fury, and fury got complacent (all true),

Only reason why Wilder agrees to fight Fury is how bad Tyson look. Wilder team saw him as easy prey.

but no other heavyweight would have done to Fury what Wilder did that night. Not even close..

No other ACTIVE heavyweigth.
Thats because heavies are in deep **** for more than a decade.

[MaxT]

Those big men, interesting to hear about, heavy hands , watch out , they generally cant catch you and are more vulnerable than they seem with that lack of mobility, you decide when to leave they cant decide

There are different big man.

Some guys are BIG: big boned, wide body, muscles and mass due to some excess of HGH

Like this one:



Or this



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But many nowadays "big guys" are themself a puny crusiers or light heavies who get a lot of mass by high protein diet, weight training and avoiding long aerobic activities (like running, bag work and sparrings).

They are not BIGGER than guys from 80-s or 60-s, they just refuse to cut weight, get in prime condition to aerobic sport, insted they use all bodybuilders arsenal (including HGT and steroids) to get and keep additional mass.

Besides, size affect punchpower in different ways.

First, when you are big, even yours armpunches can hurt. Guy like Valuev don't need to step in with jab, twist body in it, "lay" on it or something else - he just trow his hairy forearm and, if you slow/****** enouth to stay in path of punch or roll on it, you get hit comparable in power to police ram.

Secondly, mass give you A LOT of inertia. When you hit something hevier thay you realy hard and do not have a stable stance at moment of impact, you are litteraly "pushed back" by your own punch. As result a lot of punch energy goes in you direction. Being big and BIGGER than opponent reduce that problem.

Thirdly, big guys have BIG troubles with using their body in punches. Realy big guys (like Valuev) can trow only armpunches, they are just unable to land a real power shot on movable target.

In fact you don;t have to be big as Valuev to loose ability to trow realy hard punches. Many big guys (like Dimitrenko, Grant or Tucker) do not have real power and winning fights on armpunches alone.

Look at Kubrat Pulev. He is realy big (tall, big boned, muscular) and relatively fast, but he as pillow fisted as such big guy can be.

[MaxT]

And yet he's stopped
It's even more extreme in MMA: look at Derrick Lewis and look at Frankie Edgar or Dom Cruz.
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Mass is WAY more important in MMA/wresling context, ecpecialy in fantasy situation (almost absent anywere exept MMA) when you can pin opponent between you body and a cage.

Boxing is WAY more complicated. More mass - less speed and mobility, troubled defence and even power of best punches and durability.

Minimum weight limit in boxing along with promouters preferense towards a big klitchko-like mosters (its kinda fassion) actialy protects the modern BEHEMOTHS from complete fighters.

In russian amateur circles hevies are almost always far worce than cruisers.
Cruisers are lean and/or miscular guysn at average taller (190-200+ cm) than heavyes. Tipical russian heavy is more like Andy Ruiz - relatively short fat guy, with poor skills due to low level competition (heavies are to few and to bad).

In professiounal boxing fighters face a dillema. They HAVE to be at least 91 kg to be a heavyweigt. But, nowadays nowbody weights that low because under current weight-in rules you can easily be around 100 kg and still be a legitimate cruiser. So, you have to be AT LEAST 100 kg to be concidered a legitimate heavy by promouters, most of whom have no boxing experience and often no even superficial understanding of game. Only way to get attention of that lame promouters is size and percived power. Thats why we see so many hopeless (and sometimes helpless) behemoths instead of real boxers with resonable size and mass.

[OctoberRed]

Mass is WAY more important in MMA/wresling context, ecpecialy in fantasy situation (almost absent anywere exept MMA) when you can pin opponent between you body and a cage.

Boxing is WAY more complicated. More mass - less speed and mobility, troubled defence and even power of best punches and durability.

Minimum weight limit in boxing along with promouters preferense towards a big klitchko-like mosters (its kinda fassion) actialy protects the modern BEHEMOTHS from complete fighters.

In russian amateur circles hevies are almost always far worce than cruisers.
Cruisers are lean and/or miscular guysn at average taller (190-200+ cm) than heavyes. Tipical russian heavy is more like Andy Ruiz - relatively short fat guy, with poor skills due to low level competition (heavies are to few and to bad).

In professiounal boxing fighters face a dillema. They HAVE to be at least 91 kg to be a heavyweigt. But, nowadays nowbody weights that low because under current weight-in rules you can easily be around 100 kg and still be a legitimate cruiser. So, you have to be AT LEAST 100 kg to be concidered a legitimate heavy by promouters, most of whom have no boxing experience and often no even superficial understanding of game. Only way to get attention of that lame promouters is size and percived power. Thats why we see so many hopeless (and sometimes helpless) behemoths instead of real boxers with resonable size and mass.

Good stuff here...

[QueensburyRules]

But many nowadays "big guys" are themself a puny crusiers or light heavies who get a lot of mass by high protein diet, weight training and avoiding long aerobic activities (like running, bag work and sparrings).

They are not BIGGER than guys from 80-s or 60-s, they just refuse to cut weight, get in prime condition to aerobic sport, insted they use all bodybuilders arsenal (including HGT and steroids) to get and keep additional mass.

Besides, size affect punchpower in different ways.

First, when you are big, even yours armpunches can hurt. Guy like Valuev don't need to step in with jab, twist body in it, "lay" on it or something else - he just trow his hairy forearm and, if you slow/****** enouth to stay in path .

- -Several misconceptions probably born of lumping in the average with the inevitable exceptions to the average.

Boxing technically ain't aerobic because of the 1 min rest period between rds any more than it's a strength contest.

And this notion that you have to have a high protein diet while eschewing aerobic training to gain muscle mass I have personally disproved. Maybe in general, but definitely not for me and many others.

Most jabs are arm punches and acknowledged as the most effective punch for obvious reasons. The misguided notion that you have to torque or jump into every punch is silly putty.

Valuev was quite quick in his Youth. Contender Ice John Scully called him the fastest big man he'd ever seen. He slowed down as he aged because of his growth condition that required retirement and surgery to save his life.