Do heavier modern heavyweights hit harder than lighter heavyweights from the 80's

[billeau2]

- -Always thought the falling step was a subtle footwork sleight of hand to disguise the mayhem to follow, but it does start the forward momentum.

Be interested to know if Tyson used it since he studied Dempsey. I'll ask him whenever I meet him, ie prob never.

Tyson does not...It takes a lot of practice but is something anyone can do, old Ju Jutu systems and certain Chinese boxing styles, like Hsin I use it. You know that our muscles pull on things, they never push...and we tend to always pull on something to attain a movement. This can be great for fine motor skills and balance and for certain striking manuevers. The problem is we never truly let our weight go.

When learning how to punch forwards we are taught to come fast and with our weight forwards, but Dempsey correctly realized that this will inevitably hold us back, because other muscles will be telling the brain to put the breaks on and antagonize the forward movement. So... he wanted people to step in such a way that they would almost fall...and at the last possible second, throw the leg out to just keep us propped. This made the punch take on almost our entire weight. it is indeed a great way to teach us where our weight should be when we want to punch into something.

half of it is physical and the other is psychological.

[billeau2]

Actually, Hippo is wrong. Tyson never knocked anyone out cold. They were always hurt and groggy, stumbling or rolling around.

Someone who never knocked people into stillness cannot be in the running for hardest puncher. Tyson was a great puncher with fine force, and an especially good combination puncher, but he is not among the hardest punchers ever at heavyweight, though he is among the best punchers.

The question is easy. Who knocked opponents into stillness? He is your hardest punching heavyweight. Who knocked them cold for the 40 count? You know who, by buggery.

When Tyson hit guys their legs went. That is insane power. You would see a guy take a decent shot and suddenly their legs are gone.

[The Old LefHook]

When Tyson hit guys their legs went. That is insane power. You would see a guy take a decent shot and suddenly their legs are gone.

I might have to correct myself on the matter of Tyson, by buggery. Many of Tyson's opponents were indeed semi-stilled.

The amount and speed of motion after a KD is key to gauging the force of impact. Hurt men move slowly, unconscious men sometimes do not move at all.

A couple of things to look for: are the opponents both stilled and stretched?

Now I say one heavyweight had a better percentage of stilling and stretching his opponents than anyone else ever in the division. I never even realized it myself until now. No one has mentioned him so far, but someone is sure to. He both stilled AND stretched a little better than Tyson, so he must have hit harder. His opponents frequently had scant or no motion left in them after a KD.

Walcott was not hurt at all before Marciano cast him to stony sleep with one perfect tap. Rock's victims moved pretty slow on the canvas all right, by buggery.

But really, did anyone completely still more victims per capita than Davey Tua? He may be the unheralded hardest heavyweight puncher of all time with his stilling stats. He stilled that many opponents with a delivery system that was obviously inferior to other great punchers such as Tyson. He did not have great speed, variety or deception to assist him--he could just deliver hell in a lefhook. When he did, the opponent often lay still.

[elfag]

Well Wilder is like 215 and hits as hard or harder than all the big guys you listed

so that is your answer

[QueensburyRules]

Well Wilder is like 215 and hits as hard or harder than all the big guys you listed

so that is your answer

- -Deyonce only fights TBAs.

Last American hope making peanuts being propped up for a proposed super fight that didn't pan out when AJ lost to fat Andy.

[billeau2]

I might have to correct myself on the matter of Tyson, by buggery. Many of Tyson's opponents were indeed semi-stilled.

The amount and speed of motion after a KD is key to gauging the force of impact. Hurt men move slowly, unconscious men sometimes do not move at all.

A couple of things to look for: are the opponents both stilled and stretched?

Now I say one heavyweight had a better percentage of stilling and stretching his opponents than anyone else ever in the division. I never even realized it myself until now. No one has mentioned him so far, but someone is sure to. He both stilled AND stretched a little better than Tyson, so he must have hit harder. His opponents frequently had scant or no motion left in them after a KD.

Walcott was not hurt at all before Marciano cast him to stony sleep with one perfect tap. Rock's victims moved pretty slow on the canvas all right, by buggery.

But really, did anyone completely still more victims per capita than Davey Tua? He may be the unheralded hardest heavyweight puncher of all time with his stilling stats. He stilled that many opponents with a delivery system that was obviously inferior to other great punchers such as Tyson. He did not have great speed, variety or deception to assist him--he could just deliver hell in a lefhook. When he did, the opponent often lay still.

By Horsery and Buggery there is something to the "left Hook" as a kind of blow lending itself to that result when applied correctly. Punches that turn the head violently may cause more of a total "drop" than other types of blows.

[Anthony342]

Tyson slept Michael Jack Johnson pretty effectively. Foreman and Liston were pretty heavy handed and put out their share of opponents in their earlier fights.

[The Old LefHook]

Who did they still, Tony?

[Anthony342]

Just about anyone with a KO next to the opponent's name in their records of men they beat.

[OctoberRed]

Just about anyone with a KO next to the opponent's name in their records of men they beat.

^^^^^