The Top 20 All-Time Greatest P4P List

[QueensburyRules]

It’s a P4P list, not a HW list. Langford was also ranked higher in case you forgot he too fought at HW.

- -It's a decent list, but I'd definitely include Sal Sanchez over one of your lessors at least.

[Rusty Tromboni]

your a wanker tromboner and only you thing you do is trombone a public toilet cottager....as I said fury is nowhere near an all time great yet....what planet are you on lol
All time greats have the George foreman’s , listons, Frazier , Holyfields and Tyson’s on them ....not just a 40 year old klitchcko and a Derek chisora...get a grip tromboner before I slap some sense back in to you ffs

Dude, I went off too hard on you. I apologize. Let's dial it back.

Starting with simple questions:

What was Liston's best win?
Would Fury lose to Leotis Martin or Cassius Clay?

What was Foreman's best win?
Would Fury lose to Ali in Zaire, or to Jimmy Young?
Is Fury not much larger and more skilled defensively than Jerry Quarry (whom Foreman admits to have ducked)?

Frazier: best win? Does Fury lose to Ali or Foreman?

Holyfield: Best win? Does Fury lose to Bowe or Moorer?

Tyson: Best win? Does Fury lose to Douglas?

Say what you will about Wlad, Wilder and Wallin
... that's a better set of scalps than any other Heavyweight has ever had.

So the best heavyweight all time is Jack Dempsey? Not Joe Louis, not Ali, not Larry Holmes, not Lennox Lewis?

Did Dempsey ever lose in his prime? The fighters you listed all did.


Anyway... Ghost answered this question well. But I do think it's an interesting question worth addressing. P4P Lists can encompass a lot of factors which divisional lists don't.

I personally have many fighters at the top of my p4p list whom i don't rank highly in ANY divisional list - their careers just didn't neatly fit into a single weight class.

Again, not trying to answer for Ghost, but Dempsey's rise to champion is part of his greatness. Completely different reality than modern coddled fighters. And he really revolutionized the sport.

[JAB5239]

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Pep
7. B. Leonard
8. Duran
9. Gans
10. Moore
11. Walker
12. R. Leonard
13. Ross
14. Mayweather
15. Conn
16. Canzoneri
17. Jones
18. Pacquiao
19. Monzon
20. Tunney

[BattlingNelson]

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Pep
7. B. Leonard
8. Duran
9. Gans
10. Moore
11. Walker
12. R. Leonard
13. Ross
14. Mayweather
15. Conn
16. Canzoneri
17. Jones
18. Pacquiao
19. Monzon
20. Tunney

No heavies Jab?

I like you having the top 3 lws there and close at that. I wouldn’t have Floyd and pac on the list myself.

[Rusty Tromboni]

How the fook does anyone put Sam "Baby Kimbo" Langford in top slot?

Or rank Charles over Conn?

Or rank Gans over McGovern?


I wish people would only post lists of people they've watched and researched.

[Rusty Tromboni]

. I wouldn’t have Floyd and pac on the list myself.

Why not?

A P4P list is about the BEST fighters of all time, if size weren't a concern.

[BattlingNelson]

Why not?

A P4P list is about the BEST fighters of all time, if size weren't a concern.

He doesn’t have the resume. I know you judge fighters like Greb via your mythical “eyetest”. I put my major emphasis on resumes.

[JAB5239]

No heavies Jab?

I like you having the top 3 lws there and close at that. I wouldn’t have Floyd and pac on the list myself.

I haven't done a p4p list in a long time. When I was more active I never put heavyweights on my lists.......I don't even know why anymore. I found myself questioning that while throwing this list together last night though. I may do another list today if I can find the time between home schooling my kids and include heavyweights. A top 10 was easy for me, but I found myself struggling after 13.

[JAB5239]

How the fook does anyone put Sam "Baby Kimbo" Langford in top slot?

Or rank Charles over Conn?

Or rank Gans over McGovern?


I wish people would only post lists of people they've watched and researched.

What fighter ever hear more ATG's over as many weights? In my opinion Langford defines "p4p". I don't really expect you to have a serious and logical discussion about that though.

[JAB5239]

He doesn’t have the resume. I know you judge fighters like Greb via your mythical “eyetest”. I put my major emphasis on resumes.

Usi g the "eye test" alone shows a real lack of boxing knowledge considering how much film has evolved over the last 100 years. It also gives the impression that one simply doesn't believe newspaper articles, or the words of trainer and fighters from the past.