Pernell Whitaker, best in the past 30 years?

[OCPancho]

He made JCC look ****** while he was in the pocket.
Nuff said.
One of the best ever .

[john l]

Mayweather has never been served any suspensions or has had any drug charges against him.

I have manny in the top 5 best fighters p4p since Leonard actually, but he isnt better then floyd - not by a long shot. Getting put to sleep multiple times and getting outboxed on multiple occasions does that.

Yup esp when one of those times he was outboxed was by May himself 10-2.

[john l]

I rank Chavez ahead of Pacquiao too. Although I know that many people don't agree.

I agree and many on here have never seen a prime Chavez. The night he beat Rosario he could have beat almost anyone esp another offensive fighter like Pac. Chavez ruined fighters that went rds with him(Rosario,Tayler,R May 11, ect).

[john l]

- -Ok, we get the uniform ABC rules of scoring rates OFFENSE over defense that Vegas routinely ignores.

Point in fact that greater offense begets greater defense and ring generalship, so where do you live in Vegas?

Near TUE 50-0 gym?

????????? Having a great defense will stop a guy from being successful in his offense, boxing 101. Where do these guys come from?????????????

[john l]

He stopped being an offensive threat once he abandoned Jr. Lw.

I am sure even a feather-fisted fighter like Pernell could have been an offensive threat if he were fighting Featherweights. But he never made the massive weight cut, like Floyd did. Turning up the offsense against guys like Hernandez and Corrales really isn't that impressive. Great performances, but nothing that make me consider Floyd's power anything special.

Look at Ray Robinson. Considered the greatest offensive fighter of all time - because his career was built on fighting men half his size. Harry Greb's KO % is abysmal - because he spent his career fighting men 2x his size.

Which impresses you more? The guy that the Heavyweight champion refused to fight, or the guy who quit when fighting a larger opponent because he got hot?




Great point.

Jones' KO% ain't bad, but it's nothing historically impressive. It's largely built off of hacks.

Jones looks FANTASTIC in highlight reels. But watch his fights, then watch Chavez... there's several tiers between them in quality. Jones and all his steroids couldn't hold Chavez's jockstrap.

A fighter like Rosario would have ****d Jones. A fighter like Camacho would have brought all Jones' game****s into the ring and stood there grilling up chicken tacos, and Jones still wouldn't have been able to find him.

Jones really appeals to casuals who don't know what's going on. Chavez is for the experienced fan. It's like comparing Basketball to Football.

You need to do your homework! 1ST May was not fighting Feather's 2nd May never made "huge weight cuts" matter a fact he weighed 137 fight nite vs Corrales at 130 and 138 and half fight nite vs Castilo at 135 who weighed 151+. Also Robinson fought at 153-4 when he was fighting at 160 and weighed 157 the night he fought for 175pd title. Oh and Harry Greb did not "spend his career fighting men 2X his size". He fought some like Tunney, but also fought a lot of 60pders when he was a BIG 60pder and one of his biggest wins was against Walker who was a welter in his prime. Time to do some research before you make silly blanket statements.

[QueensburyRules]

????????? Having a great defense will stop a guy from being successful in his offense, boxing 101. Where do these guys come from?????????????

- -Quoting ABC unified rules of boxing son where the premium is on offense.

If all some idiot does is flee for his life he ain't fighting, ie creating offense, so he ain't winning shhttt unless he's TUE 50-0 in Vegas with the commish, ref, judges, and USADA in Haymon's pocket.

First time he fights outside Vegas he melts like a spilt ice cream in summer. Manny always the road warrior.

[Rusty Tromboni]

You need to do your homework! 1ST May was not fighting Feather's 2nd May never made "huge weight cuts" matter a fact he weighed 137 fight nite vs Corrales at 130 and 138 and half fight nite vs Castilo at 135 who weighed 151+. Also Robinson fought at 153-4 when he was fighting at 160 and weighed 157 the night he fought for 175pd title. Oh and Harry Greb did not "spend his career fighting men 2X his size". He fought some like Tunney, but also fought a lot of 60pders when he was a BIG 60pder and one of his biggest wins was against Walker who was a welter in his prime. Time to do some research before you make silly blanket statements.

You need to read before hitting reply.

Mayweather is bigger than Whitaker. Ironically, he is the one w/ a career at 130. that would be LIKE Whitaker fighting at 126 lbs. Of course, Whitaker never did that because he's not a bytsch.

Robinson was fighting at Middleweight even before he won the Welterweight title. It's true he didn't break the Mw limit when he fought Maxim, but who's fault is that? It's also worth noting that Maxim only weighed 173 pounds. It wasn't Michael Spinks in there.

Greb never cut to make the Mw limit because he didn't need to, but he still only hovered above the limit. He clearly fought a majority of his career against much bigger men. Even Heavyweights. He could have easily made the Ww limit (after years of Wrestling, I should know) and racked up a crazy high KO percentage. But he didn't because he wasn't a bytsch.

[john l]

- -Quoting ABC unified rules of boxing son where the premium is on offense.

If all some idiot does is flee for his life he ain't fighting, ie creating offense, so he ain't winning shhttt unless he's TUE 50-0 in Vegas with the commish, ref, judges, and USADA in Haymon's pocket.

First time he fights outside Vegas he melts like a spilt ice cream in summer. Manny always the road warrior.

Cong**** on the dumbest set of posts in a while!!! Like I said an ELITE defense will not allow you to have a good offense(for the 3rd and last time). As for the rest of your BS I got a good laugh thx

[ShoulderRoll]

I agree and many on here have never seen a prime Chavez. The night he beat Rosario he could have beat almost anyone esp another offensive fighter like Pac. Chavez ruined fighters that went rds with him(Rosario,Tayler,R May 11, ect).

Stephen "Breadman" Edwards just mentioned something similar in his Daily Bread column today.

He said the '87 version of Chavez who beat Rosario was as good as Duran and Armstrong.

[john l]

You need to read before hitting reply.

Mayweather is bigger than Whitaker. Ironically, he is the one w/ a career at 130. that would be LIKE Whitaker fighting at 126 lbs. Of course, Whitaker never did that because he's not a bytsch.

Robinson was fighting at Middleweight even before he won the Welterweight title. It's true he didn't break the Mw limit when he fought Maxim, but who's fault is that? It's also worth noting that Maxim only weighed 173 pounds. It wasn't Michael Spinks in there.

Greb never cut to make the Mw limit because he didn't need to, but he still only hovered above the limit. He clearly fought a majority of his career against much bigger men. Even Heavyweights. He could have easily made the Ww limit (after years of Wrestling, I should know) and racked up a crazy high KO percentage. But he didn't because he wasn't a bytsch.

Quit already you keep making yourself look like an idiot. 1st May is NOT bigger even at Olympics Pete was at 132, May at 125. You said in last post SRR was also picking on smaller guys and when I pointed out no he was not, you come back with SRR was fighting middleweights while he was still a welter???????????? Then how could he have been picking on smaller guys??? Your getting your BS all mixed up lmao. Also Greb was cutting weight to make 160 and he had no "crazy ko percentage" because he was not a big puncher. He had 200+ fights and less then 50% KO percentage he was a great pressure fighter with a great chin, but no big puncher which anyone who has even done a little research knows you casual. Now you gonna tell me about all the Greb fights you have seen???????lmao.BTW Greb would have had to cut off a leg to make 147 you really don't know sh it do you?