Roy Jones fights these 1930's heavies

[robertzimmerman]

LOL. Kill yourself.

Take your own advice.

You really are hopeless.

It's a real struggle watching you debate.

Tell me how Monzon had a superior resume.

Enlighten me.

How was it an era devoid of talent?

You are clueless.

[robertzimmerman]

Rusty Tromboni,

I've been wondering when we'd be treated to another one of your disgusting rants. This is some classic verbal fellatio even by your demented standards.

I honestly cringe everytime I read one of your posts.

You're so out of your depth.

And all those words really amount to is that you disagree with me... but you don't. You played a semantics game. Yes Roy has skills and talent, but he plainly lacked necessary fundamentals. That's why I called him primitive. If you don't like the word, OK. But don't pretend that you don't know what I mean, and that you disagree with me.

You are dishonest.

All you had to say was that Roy was incredibly skilled, but those skills were based around his incredible athleticism, which failed him as he aged. But that was just too hard for you to write, huh?

In what way would you consider Roy technically superior to Conn, Pep, Tunney, or Loughran? I am awaiting more of your self-contradictions.

They all had completely different styles.

You don't think that throwing deadly accurate, rapid fire combinations to the head and body, equals being skilled?

Hall didnt know how to use PEDs. Probably he was trying to load up too soon to the fight, and didn't know how to flush it from his system. Cycling is relatively complicated. But it doesn't take a medical degree to pull it off effectively. Especially when there's no screening.

BS.

You want to act like Roy was on some sort of 'Superman' PEDS, which brought him success, before one day stopping them, which resulted in his dramatic decline.

It's hilarious.

Seriously, it's not about how you "look". Look at Armstrong, did he ever look like Ronnie Coleman? How about pro-swimmers and long distance runners.

You don't get PEDs. We get that. But citing your own ignorance isn't a proof.

I get PEDS.

I understand the Armstong case.

Roy displayed the same gifts at 17, as what he did at 27. There are no PEDS that can give you what Roy had. None. It's laughable to argue otherwise.

It's also laughable to assume that his decline happened when he just stopped taking them, without looking at any other factors.

[billeau2]

I can't see Jones beating any real heavyweight tbh. One shot on his jaw and its over. ruiz was just a bum and tbh you could feel the risk that entire fight.

Schmeling is still a lot bigger than jones if they stood side by side.




and of course louis as ref in the frazier vs Quarry fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1DEKbJ5uVQ&t=906s

did a little size link there lol.

they were lighter back then yeah, not smaller though. big skulls and bones. Keep in mind them at 200+ lbs is the same as jones at 154. they got about 50-60 natural lbs on Jones, regardless if he bulked to 200.

Ruiz was the only heavyweight in history who had a manager that threw more punches than he did!

I agree with you. In those times they believed a fighter should throw more punches, be able to move effectively for 15 rounds. People looked like they did because of what they were training for and because trainers were very smart about the game.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Take your own advice.

You really are hopeless.

It's a real struggle watching you debate.

Tell me how Monzon had a superior resume.

Enlighten me.

How was it an era devoid of talent?

You are clueless.

Briscoe, Griffith, Valdez, Benvenuti... have you seen ANY of them fight? Do those names mean ANYTHING to you? I'd take any one of them over the Toney that fought McCallum. P4P they shytt on Roy's competition. Hopkins was all but a nobody before beating the much, much smaller Trinidad.


Seriously, I've never seen anyone try to advocate for Roy's competition. The dude fought part-timers. The best name on his record is toney who was weight drained and under-trained. Not that anyone w/ a shred of athleticism and ring IQ couldn't beat him. The dude was good for his generation, but not an ATG.

Seriously, your face should be on billboards selling condoms.

[The Old LefHook]

What I know is this, and it is satisfying: Roy Jones is not even in the discussion for greatest light heavyweight ever, let alone greatest P4P fighter ever. He should not be, and he isn't. Let him eat the apples he earned, not the ones he kept dreaming about. Boys, he is not even in the important discussions. Ha! Ha!

In another few years MW will not be in those discussions either. I love it. They refused to fight who they could have. They played us. Now we get to play them. MW is a better AT P4P fighter than Jones, but still not among the true elite. You have fight important fighters. History is not fooled by your cherry picking, you millionaire idiots.

[robertzimmerman]

Briscoe, Griffith, Valdez, Benvenuti... have you seen ANY of them fight? Do those names mean ANYTHING to you? I'd take any one of them over the Toney that fought McCallum. P4P they shytt on Roy's competition. Hopkins was all but a nobody before beating the much, much smaller Trinidad.


Seriously, I've never seen anyone try to advocate for Roy's competition. The dude fought part-timers. The best name on his record is toney who was weight drained and under-trained. Not that anyone w/ a shred of athleticism and ring IQ couldn't beat him. The dude was good for his generation, but not an ATG.

Seriously, your face should be on billboards selling condoms.

Ha!

You really are hopeless.

I almost feel sorry for you.

Rubbishing Roy's resume by saying he fought part timers, whilst trying to highlight Monzon's.

Okay chief.

Let's have a look at Carlos' opponents.

Griffith: A great fighter. But list his best wins. You note that Trinidad was smaller, yet Emile was a 5'7" former WW, who fought a near 6ft Monzon who had a huge reach of 76" inches.

Valdez: Another good fighter, but one with a small 69" reach. Who did he beat? What were his best wins?

Briscoe: A fighter of 5'8. Who did he beat? What were his best wins?

Benvenuti: A good fighter. Who did he beat?

Name me the best TEN WINS of those above fighters.

Let's put them under the microscope and use the same criteria that you've used for Roy's resume. And when you've done that, we can go on and look at the resume of Chavez. You can name his top 10 wins and compare them to Roy's.

You're an absolute joker of the highest order.

If Roy had beaten Griffith, you'd be rubbishing it as a win over a WW.

If Roy had beaten Valdez, you'd be questioning what he'd ever done.

Those 4 wins weren't all GREAT wins for Monzon, and after them, who else is on his resume??

Don't run away.

Be a man.

Come back and give me the best wins of each of those guys.

I'll show you up for what you are.

[robertzimmerman]

What I know is this, and it is satisfying: Roy Jones is not even in the discussion for greatest light heavyweight ever, let alone greatest P4P fighter ever. He should not be, and he isn't. Let him eat the apples he earned, not the ones he kept dreaming about. Boys, he is not even in the important discussions. Ha! Ha!

In another few years MW will not be in those discussions either. I love it. They refused to fight who they could have. They played us. Now we get to play them. MW is a better AT P4P fighter than Jones, but still not among the true elite. You have fight important fighters. History is not fooled by your cherry picking, you millionaire idiots.

LHW was Roy's THIRD weight class, yet he's in the mix with the top 20 LHW's of all time.

Roy didn't refuse challenges.

You're the nut who told me last year that he should have tried harder to get an earlier fight with Calzaghe, despite the fact that he was a relatively unknown fighter, one who defended a lightly regarded belt in a division that Roy had left years earlier.

[billeau2]

Ha!

You really are hopeless.

I almost feel sorry for you.

Rubbishing Roy's resume by saying he fought part timers, whilst trying to highlight Monzon's.

Okay chief.

Let's have a look at Carlos' opponents.

Griffith: A great fighter. But list his best wins. You note that Trinidad was smaller, yet Emile was a 5'7" former WW, who fought a near 6ft Monzon who had a huge reach of 76" inches.

Valdez: Another good fighter, but one with a small 69" reach. Who did he beat? What were his best wins?

Briscoe: A fighter of 5'8. Who did he beat? What were his best wins?

Benvenuti: A good fighter. Who did he beat?

Name me the best TEN WINS of those above fighters.

Let's put them under the microscope and use the same criteria that you've used for Roy's resume. And when you've done that, we can go on and look at the resume of Chavez. You can name his top 10 wins and compare them to Roy's.

You're an absolute joker of the highest order.

If Roy had beaten Griffith, you'd be rubbishing it as a win over a WW.

If Roy had beaten Valdez, you'd be questioning what he'd ever done.

Those 4 wins weren't all GREAT wins for Monzon, and after them, who else is on his resume??

Don't run away.

Be a man.

Come back and give me the best wins of each of those guys.

I'll show you up for what you are.

I am posting this to you it is for you and Rusty:

Im going to try to be constructive here... I have known Zimmerman for a while in the section and we have occasionally disagreed...though more often agreed. Nobody had to be insulted in those exchanges.

Rusty? I won't debate with you anymore. You get abusive real quick when people don't agree. Lets see how many posters you have been at it with shall we? Ill let you do the count.

Why the need? Its ridiculous. IN this section you are not going to find long term posters who are avoiding spirited debate because they are overwhelmed with another poster's knowledge...Not unless it is someone like Hassup, Ray, Bundana... To name a few, there are more. Most posters here have enough understanding about why they are arguing a point that you will not intimidate with ad hominum attacks.

So Rusty you might want to clean up your act? just a bit of unsolicited constructive critiscism.

[OctoberRed]

LHW was Roy's THIRD weight class, yet he's in the mix with the top 20 LHW's of all time.

Roy didn't refuse challenges.

You're the nut who told me last year that he should have tried harder to get an earlier fight with Calzaghe, despite the fact that he was a relatively unknown fighter, one who defended a lightly regarded belt in a division that Roy had left years earlier.

Didn't he start at 154?

[KingHippo]