Roy Jones fights these 1930's heavies

[QueensburyRules]

- -Has Rusty bucket ever proven to be clean?

Of course not, but given you're up to your eyeballs in drugs, why don't you provide your ghost list of fighters who never used PEDs?

Stay tuned boys, this is gonna get good!

[Rusty Tromboni]

- -Has Rusty bucket ever proven to be clean?

Of course not, but given you're up to your eyeballs in drugs, why don't you provide your ghost list of fighters who never used PEDs?

Stay tuned boys, this is gonna get good!

You want the list? Open your mouth, it's coming in. And it's long (and thick) just how you like it.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Another soft lad unable back up anything related to boxing.

Still living in your moms closet, eh?

[them_apples]

I can't imagine a fight with Canera. I just don't get a mental picture.

Against Schmeling it would be interesting with Jones probably winning. But lets not forget that Schmeling found a weakness in the most technically perfect punching machine perhaps, to some...ever.

If Maxie catches Jones once its all over. Baer was not slow of foot either. It sort of depends what Baer we are talking about. If the Baer that brained a man and does not want to hurt another shows up easy night for Jones, if Maxie really goes after Jones... Different story. people forget that Baer had perhaps the hardest right in boxing history. or one of the hardest rights. And again his feet were not slow. All he has to do is find Jones once really.

jack Sharkey Great fighter but Jones is faster and just gifted naturally enough to stay away from jack.

Braddock could not deal with Jones' speed.

Galento! Roy don't want that smoke... Roy gets battered. Galento would really hurt Jones. One of the most chronically underestimated fighters in heavyweight history. The guy was strong as an ox, could throw punches all day and night and was relentless. As a matter of fact Galento is the virtual blueprint to destroy Jones...Keep on top of him and get into a position where he cannot extend into his leaping hooks, and use his hand speed. Galento is willing to take three to get one, and thats more than enough... Lets look at Galento:

Great chin
Excellent Stamina
Relentless pursuit
Good power Not great
Excellent inside fighter

I can't see Jones beating any real heavyweight tbh. One shot on his jaw and its over. ruiz was just a bum and tbh you could feel the risk that entire fight.

Schmeling is still a lot bigger than jones if they stood side by side.




and of course louis as ref in the frazier vs Quarry fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1DEKbJ5uVQ&t=906s

did a little size link there lol.

they were lighter back then yeah, not smaller though. big skulls and bones. Keep in mind them at 200+ lbs is the same as jones at 154. they got about 50-60 natural lbs on Jones, regardless if he bulked to 200.

[robertzimmerman]

He outpoints Carnera, Braddock and Galento. I think Schmeling and Sharkey are too much for him. Sharkey was a better boxer and too strong. Baer was inconsistent. On his best day he can land that big right and it's over. Or Jones can box circles around him with superior speed and reflexes, so a 50/50 fight IMO.

Good post.

[robertzimmerman]

Rusty Tromboni,


You do make me laugh.

Your posts are bizarre to say the least.

No idea. But I know that jones' "skills" were as primitive as I've seen. I highly doubt he would have had much of a career w/o the roids. Any other decade and no one remembers Jones. Maybe as a Hector Camacho, Niccolino Locche or Julian Jackson type... yeah know, a guy who provides amazing highlights, but couldn't muster a meaningful career.

Do you know what the word 'primitive' means?

On what planet were Roy's skills primitive?

You can't have stepped anywhere near a boxing gym in your life.

Roy had incredible skills. Have you any idea how much skill is involved in throwing the combinations that Roy did? The precision? The timing, the leverage, the gauge of distance?

Roy never possessed a classic style. But that doesn't mean he wasn't incredibly skilled. His skills were unorthadox and built around his amazing athleticism. Like I told you in a previous thread, Roy needed to either retire early or he needed to change his style to compensate for his age. But he did neither, and he paid the price. His whole style was built around split second timing. He dealt in milliseconds. And when he was in his mid 30's and into his 40's, he didn't have the reflexes or the timing to avoid getting hit like he'd done previously.

Using the word 'primitive' is hilarious.

He threw blazing combinations with great accuracy.

He knocked out Hill out with a beautiful body shot.

He knocked out Griffin with a lead uppercut.

Go and show me another fighter knocking out someone with a lead uppercut.

His knockout of Pazienza was amazing. Yes, we know that Paz wasn't great, but go and look at the level of skill involved. He threw a 6 punch combination whilst walking forward, throwing uppercuts of either hand. Watch the feet. Go to your nearest gym and try and replicate that. It was insane.

You are talking absolute nonsense.

There were fights where Jones showed some sound fundamentals, but it's a definitely a case of "use it or lose it". Those skills never materialized when he needed them most. It's definitely an example of "cheaters never prosper".

Don't get me wrong, he's dangerous. But to act like this is Willie Pep fighting a glamorized hack like George Dixon is absurd. If you were joking, it would be hilarious. But I don't sense a shred of irony.

Tell me about these PEDS that Roy took.

The way you speak of them, they're from a Marvel film.

No PEDS could give you the attributes that Roy had.

Again, Hall had TEN TIMES the amount in his system, yet he took a merciless hiding. How was that possible?

After the Hall fight, Roy passed numerous tests yet still looked the same until 4 years later.

[robertzimmerman]

Wow! Good thing I'm not allergic to Chutzpah! This would have sent me into anaphylactic shock! I know this place feels like a pissing contest for who can make the most absurd comment, but let's have some self-respect.

Those tools you mention are the essential ones. They call it Boxing Fundamentals for a reason. Conn not running in the last few rounds against Louis. Patterson looking a little lost against Maxim. Floyd struggling w/ Castillo's pressure... those are instances of fighters earning our forgiveness for their short-comings. Times when fighters didn't have every tool in the bag to pull out the win.

Roid Jones would be the guy to hand you a wrench when you asked for a screwdriver.

Very few fighters fought in a generation so absent of talent: anybody who was anyone of note as a High School athlete had put his energy into Baseball or Football... or Basketball, Wrestling or Swimming. Boxing wasn't really a primary interest, as it had been in decades past.

On top of that, Roy was coddled. He was brought up through the amateurs. Something guys like Billy Conn, Sal Sanchez, Carlos Monzon, and even Bernard Hopkins didn't have.

W/o the Roids and w/ stiffer competition, the dude's aurora evaporates. He was dangerous, but not on the level of others. Hell, tell me what makes him better than Chavez or Whitaker. I've got all day.

Damn. The lengths that you'll go to stay in the dark: now that this unfortunate fact is out of the shadows, you've put your head up your ass.

The second he came under scrutiny, his skills evaporated. The dude wasn't horrible, but once he was clearly off the juice he began to look horrible. After 25+ years of MMA and Kickboxing we now know exactly what PEDs can do for fighters and how their careers ebb and flow depending on their access/use to the naughty stuff.

Roid Jones' analog in MMA would be Vitor Belfort or Alistair Overeem.

Is it already that time of the month, Queeny?

A generation so absent of talent?

Hopkins
Toney
Griffin
Reggie
Hill
Tarver etc

More nonsense.

He has a better resume than 2 fighters you've mentioned, in Monzon and Chavez.

Again, you have said that when he came off of the juice he was horrible.

Okay.

Please tell us when he came off the juice.

When he lost to Tarver and Johnson?

Why would he have come off of the juice at that point? Surely he'd have needed them more than ever at that stage of his career?

How can you be so ignorant, to not look at the fact that that he was a 35 year old fighter when he lost, which a style that was built around his incredible reflexes?

How can you be so ignorant as to dismiss his age, as well as the weight cut, which also affected THREE other modern day fighters, in Tarver, Byrd and Dawson?

[Rusty Tromboni]

they were lighter back then yeah, not smaller though. big skulls and bones. Keep in mind them at 200+ lbs is the same as jones at 154. they got about 50-60 natural lbs on Jones, regardless if he bulked to 200.

Different strategies. In the past they trained more like marathon runners while now they train more like sprinters. Have you wrestled and played football? Even Wrestling, which is much, much more anaerobic than Boxing requires competitors to stay pretty light. You can hit the weights, but you definitely don't wanna carry too much size. Conversely, in Football, the bigger you are, the better. You don't wanna be an obese piece of shyt, but you don't have to be in top physical form.

Roy Jones might not be as "naturally" large as these other men, but a punch by a 200 pound man is still a punch by a 200pound man, regardless of why he's that big. I never helped anyone get ready for a MMA fight and conjectured about how big the other guy shouldbe.

I'm not really disagreeing with anything you said, per se. But I feel it needs to be stressed that Roy would indeed enter the ring at a weight comparable to many of these men, but with a distinct speed advantage. The bigger problem for Roy is that those muscles will eventually betray him. He'll have an advantage early, but if he cannot maximize on it he might pay the price.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rusty Tromboni,


You do make me laugh.

Your posts are bizarre to say the least.



Do you know what the word 'primitive' means?

On what planet were Roy's skills primitive?

You can't have stepped anywhere near a boxing gym in your life.

Roy had incredible skills. Have you any idea how much skill is involved in throwing the combinations that Roy did? The precision? The timing, the leverage, the gauge of distance?

Roy never possessed a classic style. But that doesn't mean he wasn't incredibly skilled. His skills were unorthadox and built around his amazing athleticism. Like I told you in a previous thread, Roy needed to either retire early or he needed to change his style to compensate for his age. But he did neither, and he paid the price. His whole style was built around split second timing. He dealt in milliseconds. And when he was in his mid 30's and into his 40's, he didn't have the reflexes or the timing to avoid getting hit like he'd done previously.

Using the word 'primitive' is hilarious.

He threw blazing combinations with great accuracy.

He knocked out Hill out with a beautiful body shot.

He knocked out Griffin with a lead uppercut.

Go and show me another fighter knocking out someone with a lead uppercut.

His knockout of Pazienza was amazing. Yes, we know that Paz wasn't great, but go and look at the level of skill involved. He threw a 6 punch combination whilst walking forward, throwing uppercuts of either hand. Watch the feet. Go to your nearest gym and try and replicate that. It was insane.

You are talking absolute nonsense.

I've been wondering when we'd be treated to another one of your disgusting rants. This is some classic verbal fellatio even by your demented standards.

And all those words really amount to is that you disagree with me... but you don't. You played a semantics game. Yes Roy has skills and talent, but he plainly lacked necessary fundamentals. That's why I called him primitive. If you don't like the word, OK. But don't pretend that you don't know what I mean, and that you disagree with me.

In what way would you consider Roy technically superior to Conn, Pep, Tunney, or Loughran? I am awaiting more of your self-contradictions.

Rusty Tromboni,

Tell me about these PEDS that Roy took.

The way you speak of them, they're from a Marvel film.

No PEDS could give you the attributes that Roy had.

Again, Hall had TEN TIMES the amount in his system, yet he took a merciless hiding. How was that possible?

After the Hall fight, Roy passed numerous tests yet still looked the same until 4 years later.

Hall didnt know how to use PEDs. Probably he was trying to load up too soon to the fight, and didn't know how to flush it from his system. Cycling is relatively complicated. But it doesn't take a medical degree to pull it off effectively. Especially when there's no screening.

Seriously, it's not about how you "look". Look at Armstrong, did he ever look like Ronnie Coleman? How about pro-swimmers and long distance runners.

You don't get PEDs. We get that. But citing your own ignorance isn't a proof.

[Rusty Tromboni]

A generation so absent of talent?

Hopkins
Toney
Griffin
Reggie
Hill
Tarver etc

More nonsense.

He has a better resume than 2 fighters you've mentioned, in Monzon and Chavez.

LOL. Kill yourself.