Who Could Roy Jones Not Have Beaten?

[Anthony342]

I am well aware of his handle on that forum and I personally have nothing at all against the guy. I like debating with him and that's ultimately what a forum is all about. Debating with people who might have a different opinion.

So please. We don't need personal attacks, slandering and character-killings on this board. You can keep that on esb.

Why do some people call it esb when it's NSB?

[BattlingNelson]

Why do some people call is esb when it's NSB?

Esb is another boxing board. I don’t know what it’s like today, but bitd the news section was literally full of fake news and made up stories.

[Anthony342]

Esb is another boxing board. I don’t know what it’s like today, but bitd the news section was literally full of fake news and made up stories.

Ah okay, I thought you meant here, because it sounds as bad as the NSB section here. What does ESB stand for?

[robertzimmerman]

I didn't say you had to provide further proof in confirmation of my post.

You've made countless posts throughout this thread in argument with numerous posters. And not matter how staggering the facts against you, you proceed unimpeded by the truth. You're in complete denial. That was well-established long ago.

What facts?

Enlighten me.

[robertzimmerman]

Talk about logorrhea...

I have to admit... as pathetic as it is, the lengths this guy will go to are impressive. But he definitely needs a life intervention.

The very definition of pathetic is what's written above.

You can't refute any of what's been written in my post.

NOTHING.

All you can offer up as a reply is a few quick insults.

Run along sunshine.

You have nothing to add to the debate.

You have zero knowledge of Roy or the era that he fought in.

You're just a waste of time. So unless you're going to debate any of the points that I've made, then don't ever bother replying.

[BattlingNelson]

Ah okay, I thought you meant here, because it sounds as bad as the NSB section here. What does ESB stand for?

E a s t s I d e boxing

[robertzimmerman]

I am well aware of his handle on that forum and I personally have nothing at all against the guy. I like debating with him and that's ultimately what a forum is all about. Debating with people who might have a different opinion.

So please. We don't need personal attacks, slandering and character-killings on this board. You can keep that on esb.

You're a good man Bat.

We'll still be arguing in ten years time.

I've got to be honest, over the years, TeamElite/Joe.Boxer has given me hours of entertainment.

I've literally laughed out loud at the posts. I've actually had tears running down my face. I've laughed out loud whilst on holiday, when I've been the passenger in someone's car, at home and pretty much everywhere, including work. I have to admire the passion and the time that's gone into the posts. Although it is a bit worrying, because that level of hatred is abnormal, even on a forum.

[Anthony342]

E a s t s I d e boxing

Thanks. Probably saw it when looking for a boxing news site to check out before finding this one, but never saw the forum. Sounds like it's even worse than Non Stop Boxing.

[Bjl12]

It's utterly hilarious to compare the careers of Roy and Lance.

Please tell me what Roy took exactly.

Roy took Androstenedione

Tell me when he started taking it.

Tell me when he stopped taking it.

There's no way to know exactly when Roy started or stopped using (if he ever did), but we know he took it in 2000 as he tested positive for the drug after his fight with Hall.

Tell me the exact benefits it gave him.

Androstenedione is a steroid produced in the adrenal glands and the gonads, which is converted in the body to testosterone.

Can be used medically to aid in the production of testosterone for individuals with hormonal problems.

Used in competition to increase muscle strength and mass and to shorten muscle recovery time.

I'll save you the time: You cannot answer any of the above questions.

What?

There's footage of Roy at 17 years old displaying the exact same gifts that he had as a pro. So was his father pumping him full of PEDS at their Pensacola farm back in the 80's?

There are no PEDS that give you the attributes that Roy had. We've never seen anybody like Roy, and his peak was 20 years ago.

The only controversy of his entire career was against Richard Hall. And Hall had TEN TIMES the amount that Roy had in his system. Think about that for a second: TEN TIMES the amount. And what happened? Hall took an absolute hiding. Yet you want to imply that Roy relied on these super human PEDS and then he came crashing down after he stopped taking them?

Get back in the real world.

Roy was tested in fights after Hall, yet he never failed a test. Yet he showed the exact same attributes, and he dominated in the exact same way for a further THREE years until he dropped back from HW at 35.

Please explain what happened.

Did you follow Chris Byrd's career?

Chris Byrd took punches from both of the K Bros, as well as Ike and Evander, yet he was folded by Shaun George when he dropped back to LHW. Like Roy, he also said he was completely devoid of energy and strength and that he'd took the weight off too soon. The same thing also happened to Antonio Tarver and Chad Dawson.

I've spoken to 'Ice man' John Scully on here who spoke of the nightmare that Chad had in camp when preparing for his fight with Andre Ward.

Roy was told by Mackie Shilstone that burning muscle quickly at advanced age can effect the immune system. And Mackie also expected Tarver to be flat after he'd lost muscle after appearing in 'Rocky Balboa' to drop back to LHW to face Hopkins.

If you go back and watch Roy's first fight with Tarver, he was absolutely exhausted. He was running on fumes.

Roy was a reflex based fighter who fought with an unorthadox style which was based around split second timing. It was a mixture of age and the weight loss at an advanced age that finished Roy, not the fact that he just stopped taking some magical super human PEDS.

Roy needed to either retire early or change his his style to compensate for his age. But he did neither and paid the price.

You can't test positive for a steroid and claim to be "clear". Roy Jones Jr. is a dirty fighter. He cheated at least once although probably more often.

Everything special about RJJ would've directly benefited from PED's. Strength/power, speed/reflexes, stamina...his athleticism was both God given and Man-induced.

It's funny that my "reputation" is "0" despite having all green on my profile page. The admin, WhiteWonderBreadMan, keeps me at "0" for speaking too much truth.

WhiteWonderBreadMan HATES Canelo (probably racism) and labels him a cheater although Canelo is one of the few "cheaters" who has a plausible alibi. Mexico, as a country, actually does have a problem with Clenbuterol. Like you suggested about RJJ...Canelo never tested positive before or after - the difference being Canelo does OSDT unlike RJJ who did minimal commission testing - Canelo did the hair follice test (at request of NSAC), Canelo failed test while residing in Mexico, Canelo performed as good or BETTER in the rematch with Gennady despite all drama surrounding PED's going into the fight...But WhiteWonderBreadMan has "inside sources" (probably other racists/Trump supporters) who suggest otherwise...which means zero when reviewing evidence.

Conversely WhiteWonderBreadMan L O V E S RJJ and Holyfield...both are proven cheaters. RJJ used steroids and Holyfield used Testosterone/Saizen (HGH)/Glukor (allegedly for Impotence although the man has 11 children...)

[Rusty Tromboni]

The very definition of pathetic is what's written above.

You can't refute any of what's been written in my post.

NOTHING.

All you can offer up as a reply is a few quick insults.

Run along sunshine.

You have nothing to add to the debate.

You have zero knowledge of Roy or the era that he fought in.

You're just a waste of time. So unless you're going to debate any of the points that I've made, then don't ever bother replying.

have you even considered taking up The Momo Challenge? You really ought to...