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  • Do Bad Decisions Affect Legacy?

    My answer to that question is a resounding Yes. The current thread on Oscar/Tito got me to reconsidering.

    To historically come out on top of your generation, or not to, that is the question.

    The L in the record books means everything, despite our protests to the contrary as living contemporaries.

    Recognition for a deserved victory would have put Oscar over the top. By that time people and maybe all of boxing were thinking they were just a little satiated with everything Oscar. The official loss can in some respects be regarded as a guarded admonishment of one who was simply too successful and goody-goody for his own good at the wrong time in his career with respect to legacy.

    Hell, people are still wont to say that Oscar could never win the big ones. It is easy to she where that part of his reputation got started.

    In fact, I posit that even horrible decisions can affect a man's legacy in a big way, but I am going to let you vote on it. I believe even moderately bad decisions can affect legacy quite negatively. Enough generations go by and you are left mostly with what is written in the win/loss column of books. Even where you can go review films for yourself, that does little to mitigate the impact of an unjust decision and its long reach down the corridors of history.

    Even where it is recognized that a fighter got a raw deal, there is never anything official about this. A few people like us might write about it on a boxing forum read by a few hundred people; a few scribes try to keep the notion going against the forgetful tide of history.

    But the boxer is never given his due for that fight and it may have been the biggest fight of his generation. No stamp of approval for all time to come, despite a few protesters lifting sleepy heads from time to time..

    You go vote now.
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    Yes
    81.25%
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    No
    18.75%
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    Last edited by The Old LefHook; 10-01-2018, 06:10 PM.

  • #2
    What he said ⬆️

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    • #3
      Winky Wright had a few of them and yes it affects his.

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      • #4
        It shouldn't.

        Were not passive victims here...We can look at those fights and analyze them.

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        • #5
          I think that W or L by your opponents name DEFINITELY impacts your legacy positively or negatively. Specifically in close fights like I feel Oscar vs Tito was I feel like it shouldn't doe. I just scored this fight again & had Tito by a point (my original outcome as well), but I had a few close rds & based on how those few close rds went coulda resulted in Oscar winning, a draw or the outcome that we all seen Tito winning.

          Personally I've always considered a split decision loss or a 115-113 across the board type loss to be less of a loss, but I don't think most people see it that way & certainly the masses of casual fans don't see it that way so I do think that L is all that matters to most fans. And the further away from a fight we get, even if it was a legit robbery, the more I believe new fans & even old fans in some cases look as that L as a legit L & less like a robbery & that is for sure going to impact a boxers legacy in a negative way.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
            It shouldn't.

            Were not passive victims here...We can look at those fights and analyze them.
            Beware of the word "Shouldn't," because a lot of things shouldn't happen.

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            • #7
              That’s a great question.
              Ask Dave “TNT” Tiberi if his absolute robbery in his middleweight title fight if it affected his legacy. It so affected him he never put the gloves on again. Talk about ruining a legacy. That was his shot. A tough Philadelphia fighter who’s only real loss was to the Late Punching Postman Tony Thornton

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              • #8
                If your opinions are based off wins and losses only and you do not have the knowledge to recognize talent and skills who cares what you think.
                Who is impressed by a novices evaluation of talent.
                Sugar Ray Robinson has 19 losses on a 200 fight career. The vast majority are beyond his prime but some very impressive wins are also beyond his prime.
                How do you know that a "bad" decision took place? Is it an opinion your read about or did you view the bout and in your mind it was a bad decision.
                Most of the posts I read here are not based on evaluating talent their mostly Monday morning quarterbacking.
                Boxing is not an exact scoring situation like other sports, do 10 jabs equal or surpass a punch that shakes up a fighter?
                I think amateur scoring gets mixed in with pro scoring and that presents a problem.

                If the decision is in question was the opponent a quality guy?

                A great legacy is very subjective. I knew a man who was 75W with 75L and 10 draws and for me he had a great legacy because he was a great man who happened to fight over a 150 pro bouts. He went the distance with Marciano twice and was a servicemen and someone who dedicated years to youth services, great man, great legacy.

                Ray

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by clemenza View Post
                  That’s a great question.
                  Ask Dave “TNT” Tiberi if his absolute robbery in his middleweight title fight if it affected his legacy. It so affected him he never put the gloves on again. Talk about ruining a legacy. That was his shot. A tough Philadelphia fighter who’s only real loss was to the Late Punching Postman Tony Thornton
                  Hagler also retired after losing the middleweight title to Leonard...and not being able to secure a rematch following a Leonard retirement that lasted a little over a year.

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                  • #10
                    Bad decisions affect ur life true story.

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