No boxer could have beat Mike Tyson on the 22nd of November, 1986

[micky_knox]

Because 40 year old natural heavyweight champions don't traditionally shrink in size when they stop fighting. Louis, Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe etc....all get larger because they're not training down. Why do you think Tyson's in the ring and out of the ring behaviour was so irrational? Ever hear of roid rage?

if you mean he has lost muscle mass its because he isnt training anymore.........and he will soon blow out again and put a lot of fat on.........roid rage???....you considering you know absolutly everything about boxing should know that mike allways had a temper....

you have absolutly nothing to base your asumptions on...you just decided in your own head he took steroids becosue you dont like him and want to discredit him anyway you can.......

[Southpaw Stinger]

Tyson's in the ring and out of the ring behaviour was so irrational? Ever hear of roid rage?

You have to remember that Tyson had a temper even as a young child (which I can relate to lol) And I don't think Tyson would be on steroids as a kid.

[Verstyle]

Because 40 year old natural heavyweight champions don't traditionally shrink in size when they stop fighting. Louis, Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe etc....all get larger because they're not training down. Why do you think Tyson's in the ring and out of the ring behaviour was so irrational? Ever hear of roid rage?

that was an idiot responsse i hope u come back on here and realize how ****** u jus sounded.i know ppl that r naturally built.it does happen.

[BKM-]

This is a teenage Mike Tyson(Lenox Lewis is on the picture aswell). As you can see he was already huge at a young age. It looks like he's around 200lb+ already. He never lifted weights and sure as hell was not on roids.



This is last year or so. I think after the Mcbride fight. He looks like 240lb.

[micky_knox]

You have to remember that Tyson had a temper even as a young child (which I can relate to lol) And I don't think Tyson would be on steroids as a kid.

yup

that was an idiot responsse i hope u come back on here and realize how ****** u jus sounded.i know ppl that r naturally built.it does happen.

hehe

i agree

[hellfire508]

Temper.. . This ****head got proven wrong now.

You're even slower than i thought. I dont care if they were HWs FOR THEIR TIMES. Like i said(Your brain damage must have ignored this) they were small ''heavyweights'' compared to the newer eras. Are you that ******? Did you not catch up with the rest of the world? You probably lived in a cave or something. It is a fact that Tyson was 40/30 pounds heavier than those guys. Its a fact that weight effects fighters in many ways. But i still wont expect you to understand something that simple.

And oh yeah..Evander still had 30/40 pounds on the tiny HW's
Is there anything else you want me to shatter in pieces in this argument?

So let me get this straight... even though they fought at the same weight, we must discount their faster hands because they were "smaller" heavyweights? You are a complete braindead fool. Well, I guess that because Mike Tyson is 100 pounds lighter than Valuev, we must discount his handspeed. He isn't a "real" heavyweight compared to Valuev, he is just a little peewee. Same with Ali, sure his hands were fast, but he was a featherweight compared to Valuev, so we can't include him in the list. HA! Loser.

[Verstyle]

So let me get this straight... even though they fought at the same weight, we must discount their faster hands because they were "smaller" heavyweights? You are a complete braindead fool. Well, I guess that because Mike Tyson is 100 pounds lighter than Valuev, we must discount his handspeed. He isn't a "real" heavyweight compared to Valuev, he is just a little peewee. Same with Ali, sure his hands were fast, but he was a featherweight compared to Valuev, so we can't include him in the list. HA! Loser.

we all know valuev is not normal. the guy ways over 300lbs and is over 7feet tall.how many boxers do u see go around like that to make it normal? thats a bad comparision although it isnt my argument

[hellfire508]

we all know valuev is not normal. the guy ways over 300lbs and is over 7feet tall.how many boxers do u see go around like that to make it normal? thats a bad comparision although it isnt my argument

Yeah I know. I was just making a point. There are plenty of fighters 30-40 pounds heavier than Tyson. Basically, all I'm saying is that his argument is horse****, because at heavyweight, weight shouldn't affect criteria. Fact of the matter is: Walcott, Charles and Patterson were all heavyweight champions, who would give alot of great HWs fits. Walcott weighed up to 200 pounds, as did Patterson, as did Charles. They all weighed 200 pounds several times (or close to it tens of times). How are they not heavyweights? With modern training, they would be 210-220 pounds. Your argument is **** Yaman, you are a fool.

[Verstyle]

Yeah I know. I was just making a point. There are plenty of fighters 30-40 pounds heavier than Tyson. Basically, all I'm saying is that his argument is horse****, because at heavyweight, weight shouldn't affect criteria. Fact of the matter is: Walcott, Charles and Patterson were all heavyweight champions, who would give alot of great HWs fits. Walcott weighed up to 200 pounds, as did Patterson, as did Charles. They all weighed 200 pounds several times (or close to it tens of times). How are they not heavyweights? With modern training, they would be 210-220 pounds. Your argument is **** Yaman, you are a fool.

so why do ppl give tyson so much **** for fighting a "blown up" michael spinks when he weighed like 209

[hellfire508]

so why do ppl give tyson so much **** for fighting a "blown up" michael spinks when he weighed like 209

Not sure. I don't give him ****. Spinks was good heavyweight, (a better light-heavyweight), but still a good heavyweight. They are the same people that give Marciano **** for beating Walcott, Charles and Moore. The 'blown-up' argument is bull****, because 95% of the time, they are still in excellent shape. James Toney is in the 5%.

In saying that, some fighters do adjust to the higher weight better than others. Spinks, Charles etc. adjusted well. Someone like Bob Foster is an example of someone who struggled at the higher weight.