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No boxer could have beat Mike Tyson on the 22nd of November, 1986

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  • #61
    Originally posted by K-DOGG
    Lewis with Pepe Correa loses to Tyson as you describe; but Lewis under Steward beat Mike. From what I understand Lewis and Tyson sparred when Lennox was an amateur and Tyson was either an early pro or amateur himself and Lennox held his own and gave Mike trouble as well.

    Lewis and his glass jaw went toe to toe with Ray Mercer for 10 tough rounds where Lennox had to suck it up and did. The fight, IMO, could have been scored either way; but I knew watching that fight that Lennox had that innate toughness inside that it takes to be a champion.

    Lewis hit his prime later due to his style; and did so under Steward. That Lewis beats Mike every time, IMO.
    you entitled to your opinion and i respect it
    but i still disagree.........prime lewis vs prime tyson would be tyson for me.........
    i heard when they sparred they were about 17........i think mike gave lewis a bloody nose.......but that means nothing........
    i kinda like lennox.........but i dont think he would have been able to cope with the presure........i know he got suckerd by mcall and raham so i wont hold that against him as a boxer but it does proove his chin was suspect........thats a big advantage for tyson

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    • #62
      Originally posted by micky_knox
      you entitled to your opinion and i respect it
      but i still disagree.........prime lewis vs prime tyson would be tyson for me.........
      i heard when they sparred they were about 17........i think mike gave lewis a bloody nose.......but that means nothing........
      i kinda like lennox.........but i dont think he would have been able to cope with the presure........i know he got suckerd by mcall and raham so i wont hold that against him as a boxer but it does proove his chin was suspect........thats a big advantage for tyson
      fair enough. Too bad we'll never know though. Style-wise, had Mike not gone to prison, I think they would have complimented each other very nicely. Maybe not Ali-Frazier nicely; but comparable, IMO. They would have made for an exciting fight me thinks.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by micky_knox
        lewis and his glass jaw would have been smashed to bits within 6-7 rounds against prime tyson........
        no way could lennox have handled mike.............
        look what briggs did to lewis for a couple of rounds........and tyson was much better than briggs.........
        you using "boxing math" and that doesn't work. You can't say this guy beat that guy, so the other can beat the third guy. It is styles that make the fights...as cliche and tired as that sounds, it's the truth. I get tired of the glass jaw thing for Lewis as well. His chin won't be mistaken for Hagler's thats for sure. But he has taken big shots from big punchers. His downfall has been his training for some fights. Tyson wouldn't be able to find Lewis to land his power shots. Lewis' tremendous size advantage with the reach would be hard for Mike to deal with anytime. Lewis hit his stide later in his career and would have always been able to keep Tyson away and do a number on him..imo

        Using Boxing Math, I guess Tony Tucker and Quick Tillis would be crack your top ten

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        • #64
          Originally posted by marvdave
          you using "boxing math" and that doesn't work. You can't say this guy beat that guy, so the other can beat the third guy. It is styles that make the fights...as cliche and tired as that sounds, it's the truth. I get tired of the glass jaw thing for Lewis as well. His chin won't be mistaken for Hagler's thats for sure. But he has taken big shots from big punchers. His downfall has been his training for some fights. Tyson wouldn't be able to find Lewis to land his power shots. Lewis' tremendous size advantage with the reach would be hard for Mike to deal with anytime. Lewis hit his stide later in his career and would have always been able to keep Tyson away and do a number on him..imo

          Using Boxing Math, I guess Tony Tucker and Quick Tillis would be crack your top ten
          whats all this about math? i was using briggs a a example of how lennox could get into problems when presured .......infact if i remember correctly(ill have to check it out ..) lewis ran from tyson for the first round of thier fight too........i dont blame him......that was a smart move....because he knew that while tyson had some energy he could easily have gotten hurt

          i think tyson was better than lewis........if you dont agree thats fine.......its just a matter of opinions
          oh and 1 last thing
          like you said when lewis hit his prime he was getting old........tyson would have run him ragged...lennoxs old legs would have given up long before the final round if it got that far.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by K-DOGG
            fair enough. Too bad we'll never know though. Style-wise, had Mike not gone to prison, I think they would have complimented each other very nicely. Maybe not Ali-Frazier nicely; but comparable, IMO. They would have made for an exciting fight me thinks.
            yea

            if tyson hadnt gone to jail it would have been brilliant.........shame .......those could have been the best fights he had

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            • #66
              Styles often makes fight. A prime Tyson will have a hard time beating any version of Foreman. Certain fighters would always lose to other fighters barring a lucky shot or an act of god.

              Every fighter could be beaten by another fighter, just the way it works.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Dirt E Gomez
                Styles often makes fight. A prime Tyson will have a hard time beating any version of Foreman. Certain fighters would always lose to other fighters barring a lucky shot or an act of god.

                Every fighter could be beaten by another fighter, just the way it works.
                true dat.....

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by micky_knox
                  whats all this about math? i was using briggs a a example of how lennox could get into problems when presured .......infact if i remember correctly(ill have to check it out ..) lewis ran from tyson for the first round of thier fight too........i dont blame him......that was a smart move....because he knew that while tyson had some energy he could easily have gotten hurt

                  i think tyson was better than lewis........if you dont agree thats fine.......its just a matter of opinions
                  oh and 1 last thing
                  like you said when lewis hit his prime he was getting old........tyson would have run him ragged...lennoxs old legs would have given up long before the final round if it got that far.
                  Tyson was never known for his stamina. He was great as long as they didn't fight back. I think you have it backwards on who gets worn down.

                  I understand what your saying but will agree to disagree..It's nice to debate with someone clearheaded in regards to Tyson. Thanks for not threatening to beat me up.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by marvdave
                    Tyson was never known for his stamina. He was great as long as they didn't fight back. I think you have it backwards on who gets worn down.

                    I understand what your saying but will agree to disagree..It's nice to debate with someone clearheaded in regards to Tyson. Thanks for not threatening to beat me up.
                    i wouldnt want to beat you or anybody up

                    i just like talking boxing........if we didnt disagree it would be boring
                    i will also admit to being slighty tyson biased.......but i do try and be fair in what i say........lennox was a fine champion as was mike....

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                    • #70
                      Lenox Lewis did have all the tools to beat Mike Tyson(Thats why i dont consider him a real warrior, he was big and blessed cause of that) and i think that he could've beaten him in a UD if he used the same tactic as he did with bald washed up 233 Tyson. But i would definitely favor prime Tyson for a ko. Tyson stumbled Lewis with a lef ****ing jab in the 1st round. His left hook was perfect in his prime and long enough to reach Lewis' head. Lewis could get ko'd, but in a UD i would favor him.

                      Muhammad Ali from 67 may have beaten him. James Tillis used the same style agianst 19 year old Mike and was very effective. Ali was way more skilled than Tillis in nearly every departement. SO he would've fought the distance for sure with Tyson and i wouldn't be surprised if he outboxed him. I just dont know, i cant tell.

                      Prime George Foreman would be the biggest challenge for Tyson. The first mistake people make is that Tyson would swarm into Foreman..that he was a typical swarmer like Frazier(Who got his ass handed to him when he was past it) thats not true. Tyson may have tried to box this monster untill he could ko him in the later rounds. But it would most likely be all Foreman on the inside because of his freakish strenght on the inside. He would push Tyson back and keep chopping on him. Ofcource Foreman was a horrible ****ty puncher so i would give Tyson a bigger chance to win in a slugfest. Lyle almost did it.

                      Evander Holyfield, Sonny Liston and maybe Joe Frazier could have beaten him. Althought they weren't bigger than Tyson and Tyson ate smaller opponents for breakfast...so i dont mention them as the fighters above. I wouldnt know. But i dont think fighters like Rocky Marciano or Joe Louis wouldn't have stood a chance against Iron Mike. Size is a big thing.

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