No boxer could have beat Mike Tyson on the 22nd of November, 1986

[K-DOGG]

Honorable mentions:

1.-The Sonny Liston who fought Floyd Patterson...either time.
2.-The Buster Douglas who fought Mike Tyson.
3.-The Jack Dempsey who fought Jess Willard.
4.-The James J. Jeffries who fought Bob Fitzsimmons
5.-The George Foreman who fought Gerry Cooney.


There are more; but I'll stop there. Don't misinterpret me in thinking that I think Mike wasn't an all time great, for I do; but any fighter, no matter how awesome he is, can be beaten on any given night....for just as many other great fighters had nights when they looked invincible. Mike does not own the market on "unbeatable nights".

[Mike Tyson77]

are you kidding...

mike, once asked which fighter he feared the most, replied with 'sonny liston'

with the mental struggle already in favor of liston, how do you think the fight would fare?

He respects Liston. But Liston was overrated. I have looked at his record watched his fights. He's great, but not as good as some make him out to be. Tyson was too devastating a puncher and had a great defense. I dont think a Tyson from 86-88 could have been beat.

[The Noose]

Honorable mentions:

1.-The Sonny Liston who fought Floyd Patterson...either time.
2.-The Buster Douglas who fought Mike Tyson.
3.-The Jack Dempsey who fought Jess Willard.
4.-The James J. Jeffries who fought Bob Fitzsimmons
5.-The George Foreman who fought Gerry Cooney.

I get wat your saying, but your list is a strange response.
Any of these fighters, wen faced with a different opponent would fight differently.

So the Liston who fought Patterson, for example, would have had a different challenge against Tyson. Therefore Listons performance against Patterson is irrelevant unless ur talking about the similarities between Patterson and Tyson.

[K-DOGG]

I get wat your saying, but your list is a strange response.
Any of these fighters, wen faced with a different opponent would fight differently.

So the Liston who fought Patterson, for example, would have had a different challenge against Tyson. Therefore Listons performance against Patterson is irrelevant unless ur talking about the similarities between Patterson and Tyson.

True; but I usually follow the addage that boxing is 90% mental. To me, frame of mind is everything. The fights I chose are more examples of the particular fighter's frame of mind and the subsequent result of that mindset.

[Southpaw Stinger]

2.-The Joe Louis who fought Schmeling in 1938.
3.-The Rocky Marciano who took the title from Walcott.
4.-The Max Baer who beat Schmeling.
5.-The Jack Johnson who fought Jeffries.
6.-The Muhammad Ali who fought Williams in 1966.
7.-The Joe Frazier who fought Ali in 1971.
8.-The George Foreman who fought Frazier in 1973.
9.-The Muhammad Ali who fougth Foreman in 1974.
10.-The Larry Holmes who fought Ken Norton in 1978.
11.-The Larry Holmes who fought Gerry Cooney in 1982.
12.-The Lennox Lewis who fought Andrew Golota.


These are just some examples of fighters I believe could have beaten the Mike Tyson of the Berbick fight.

Completely agree.

People have to remember that Berbick wasn't a great hevyweight - and he was **** scared of Tyson which didn't help. Tyson would be scared and out muscled by the likes of Liston and Foreman, he would be out classed by the likes of Ali and Louis and he would be outworked by Frazier. The list continues...

[:Bobby:]

Completely agree.

People have to remember that Berbick wasn't a great hevyweight - and he was **** scared of Tyson which didn't help. Tyson would be scared and out muscled by the likes of Liston and Foreman, he would be out classed by the likes of Ali and Louis and he would be outworked by Frazier. The list continues...

Come on now, Brbick wasn't scared AT ALL.

Why do you think Tyson would be scared of Ali and Louis?

[Southpaw Stinger]

Why do you think Tyson would be scared of Ali and Louis

I didn't say that. I said he would be scared of Foreman and Liston because he admitted he was!

And Berbick was obviously intimidated by Tyson as many of his opponents were. Holyfield wasn't intimidated by Tyson and we saw the result of that.

[The Noose]

Come on now, Brbick wasn't scared AT ALL.

Why do you think Tyson would be scared of Ali and Louis?

He would be intimidated and his fraglie mindset (as exposed in the Holyfield fights) was perfect for Ali to toy with.

[:Bobby:]

Stop mentioning the post-prison fights as an indication for what prime Tyson was or would have done, please.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Stop mentioning the post-prison fights as an indication for what prime Tyson was or would have done, please.

I didn't. Except for Holyfield, but I was talking about Holyfields attitude not Tysons.