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No boxer could have beat Mike Tyson on the 22nd of November, 1986
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Originally posted by Bobby Perubased on wat?
Based on Jack Johnson kicking everyones ass. He was the greatest defensive Heavyweight Boxer of all time. If I was a bettin man, Id be bettin he'd whup them both.
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Jack Johnson is very overrated...the only reason you ever hear his name in boxing history more or less is because he was black...Besides being black and breaking the color barrier he didn't do anything....Maybe he threw his punches differently,maybe he was good with defense but many fighters have made inovations like this and have not been mentioned..Jack Johnson has one of the most padded records in history only fighting guys like a way over the hill Jefferies..
Jack Johnson is by no means a top 10 heavyweight, if he was white he would be almost like a Bob Fitzsimmons or something of that nature...Known but nobody considers him a top 10 of all time...
Johnson was a decent fighter who's legacy was so distorted by the color of his skin...He fought a few white guys who were not even that good and everybody thought he was some sort of super fighter...This is because Blacks back then were considered inferior so when a person who was thought to be inferior came up and beat all these "White Hopes" then they thought he was superman....This is shown especially with the Jefferies v Johnson fight....I can't believe that anybody would think an old heavy Jefferies would beat a man otherwise in his prime years it's rediculous...It just shows you how everybody thought Johnson was inferior....
IMO Holyfeild would beat Johnson, and probably Lewis too...
Jack Johnson = Great Historic Icon & Decent boxer but by no means top 10Last edited by RockyMarcianofan00; 07-02-2006, 04:20 PM.
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Originally posted by Mike Tyson77He's #2 for me. Bert Sugar has him #3. The man had between like 79-100 wins, he did know how to box. And I agree with Butterfly, he would school Holyfield and Lewis.
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Originally posted by RockyMarcianofan00Jack Johnson is very overrated...the only reason you ever hear his name in boxing history more or less is because he was black...Besides being black and breaking the color barrier he didn't do anything....Maybe he threw his punches differently,maybe he was good with defense but many fighters have made inovations like this and have not been mentioned..Jack Johnson has one of the most padded records in history only fighting guys like a way over the hill Jefferies..
Jack Johnson is by no means a top 10 heavyweight, if he was white he would be almost like a Bob Fitzsimmons or something of that nature...Known but nobody considers him a top 10 of all time...
Johnson was a decent fighter who's legacy was so distorted by the color of his skin...He fought a few white guys who were not even that good and everybody thought he was some sort of super fighter...This is because Blacks back then were considered inferior so when a person who was thought to be inferior came up and beat all these "White Hopes" then they thought he was superman....This is shown especially with the Jefferies v Johnson fight....I can't believe that anybody would think an old heavy Jefferies would beat a man otherwise in his prime years it's rediculous...It just shows you how everybody thought Johnson was inferior....
IMO Holyfeild would beat Johnson, and probably Lewis too...
Jack Johnson = Great Historic Icon & Decent boxer but by no means top 10
And if he had fought the same people Marciano fought, he would have been 49-0. He beat the best that was around. Jack Johnson is one of the best fighters that walked the earth. He had too much heart to have been beat in his prime. He was too motivated. He was still knocking people out in his 50's!
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Originally posted by pigguYou've lost all credibility.
When I said Tyson would give Ali a boxing lesson, here's what I meant.
Ali just danced, that was his greatest asset. He could move and slip punches. Tyson was a master pin pointer. He could land punches on Ali that Ali had never felt. Tyson was able to direct his punches to KO people. Maby he wont score a KO, but maby do enough work to get a MD or SD.
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Originally posted by Mike Tyson77When I said Tyson would give Ali a boxing lesson, here's what I meant.
Ali just danced, that was his greatest asset. He could move and slip punches. Tyson was a master pin pointer. He could land punches on Ali that Ali had never felt. Tyson was able to direct his punches to KO people. Maby he wont score a KO, but maby do enough work to get a MD or SD.
but noway would he have given him a boxing lesson.........no other heavy in history would have given ali a lesson in boxing.
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Originally posted by micky_knoxbut noway would he have given him a boxing lesson.........no other heavy in history would have given ali a lesson in boxing.
Maby not. But Jack Johnson and Joe Louis would have been tough.
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Originally posted by Mike Tyson77Maby not. But Jack Johnson and Joe Louis would have been tough.
both these guys would have been a great challenge for ali.......
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