Can John Tate really gave Holmes a tough fight and possibly a loss

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--- Sweetie dearie, there were near a half dozen belt holders in his era he never faced.

Not my fault he found his courage so late in life and found wanting.

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No idea what you are talking about. In those days the boxing commissions were never so divided. They did not want a unified champion (also Holmes did not need it either as he and he alone was the only true hwt champion).

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--- All he ever proved is he weren't no Ali and could never hold Rocks jockstrap.

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Holmes is generally rated over Marciano. No one is Ali but Ali.

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--- And Ali and Lar slowly sinking along with JJ.

And Hoo Hoodini?

A Hoot Owl would flatter you.

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Sinking? All past ATG were considered ATG for specific reasons. Expert from their time considered them as such. This history can never be changed. Over many decades those past greats as well as all those who watched them live and in person die off. With this comes new generations that favor their own ATG champions. Ali and Holmes stars rise brightly now and will do so for decades to come. Suggest you learn something about the subject you try to write about. How many years and you still have zero knowledge of the sport.

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Ibro put Louis properly at #1, Ali #2.

That reversed the deceased Nat Ring revision of Ali #1 just before his retirement.

Nat had him # 11 before he died only to stop the flow of mag cancellations after he refused to rank Ali.

We have a decade of BS rankings in the sticky and a much higher order conservation about rankings than you could ever qualify for.

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Wrong. Nat never stated Ali was No 11 ATG hwt champion.

Ali was vaulted to No 9 ATG hwt champion in 1974 via Ring Mag. Then vaulted to No 2 and finally No 1.

IBRO has nothing to do with Ring.

Most call Ali No 1. If not No 1, No 2 with Louis at No 1. This has not changed in the past 30 plus years.

Learn your subject matter. Twenty years and you still have not learned a thing.

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--- Dear Nancy, Nat died in 1972 Two YEARS before Ring updated him!

Ibro don't have to sell subscriptions to Ali fans.

Really now, did you ever make 5th grade before you became too old to attend elementary school?

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Most pick Ali as No 1 ATG hwt champion. Been that way for over 30 years. Nothing has changed over that time period.