How would you tell Joe Louis to fight a prime Foreman

[HOUDINI563]

You can always tell the young a ****** posters who immediately gravitate to size. Boxing is a very high level skill sport. The best Louis at 202 lbs was so superior to the likes of Foreman, Frazier and Lyle it's not debatable. ITS NOT DEBATABLE. In the end prime Louis skill level would win out over these much lesser skilled hwts.

Note the last two punches of the bout. Louis exhibited more skill with those two punches than Foreman did during his entire career.

[Bundana]

Says the admitted young punk who is acting like a biased old timer who discredit newer generations of boxing.

I just love it when som young kid, barely out of his teens, comes on here and tries to act like a real knowledgeable historian - arguing that those who disagree with him DNSAB!


Reminds me of that 19-year-old Polish guy who came on here some time ago… telling us that Memphis Pal Moore was more deserving of his place in the IBHOF than Marvin Hagler, and that Battling Levinsky would maul Andre Ward. Comedy gold!

[BKM-]

Like I said, unwarranted hostility from you. You're the punk here man. Guys like you live your life in fear so they lash out on the internet.

Don't act like a victim now, You should go ahead and read back the start of this discussion, it wasn't me who started this kind of dialogue like I said I merely respond to trash like you with abuse that is warranted. If you're respectful then I respond in that manner too. Your severe Louis fanboyism/brainwashed mentality couldn't handle my criticsm of his attributes which were all relevant to this thread so you lashed out first.

You're a waste of space. An anorexic sub-human(since you wanted to look into my online activity I did the same for you and found out you're 135lbs @ 5'10, that explains a lot why you're so triggered by my comments about weight and size. You feel personally offended like the skeleton that you are, it's actually pretty funny.

You didn't answer how old you are, what are you still a teenager? You certainly have that kind of childish mentality, except I would have expected teens to have a higher intellect than you. You don't even know the basics of grammar like you and you're, you don't even know how to post gifs on a message board and you sound like you don't have a job and leech off your parents since you got all the time in the world to act like this online.

4. "Physically lean at 225 lbs" Foreman didn't consistently weigh 225 or above until after his fight with Ali. That was 6 fights. Prior to that when he was a monster he was 220. If you think Louis's opponents weren't "shredded" at 190 then Foreman sure as hell wasn't shredded at 220. http://static.boxrec.com/5/5c/Foreman150584795.jpg

Wow so shredded...(sarcasm)

Foreman was a massive guy and many find it hard to believe he was such a low weight with his frame and muscle mass, even his legs were a respectable size. For him to be 225+ @ physical maturity meant he was very well trained and his bodyfat was definitely lower than guys like Braddock, Schmeling and obviously Galento:




They could have went even lower than 190, Foreman couldn't go below his fighting weight once peaked.

The point here that will continue to go over your tiny little 135lb head is that the guys who knocked out, knocked down and hurt Louis, were nowhere near the power punching, size and strength of prime Foreman. Louis never faced a beast like this and would be blown out of there, he does not have the right style to beat him nor does he possess the physical attributes to handle Big George.

Your attempts to big up awful fighters like Braddock and Galento are futile. Max Baer was also terrible, a wild swinging windmill who fought like a caveman.

Now Walcott and Schmeling, those are some real pugilists Louis beat. But they'd be CW's in other era's and are nowhere near Foreman's level. Louis beat great fighters in his time and had years of longevity, and that is how I rank fighters. How well they did in their own time. Head to head matchups are a very different thing, learn the difference.

7. Superheavyweights have been around for the entirety of the division. Jess Willard was the first superheavyweight champ in 1915.

Willard was just about the only decent "SuperHW" of the time. The overwhelming majority of HW's back then were all around the same size of 185-200+. Quality heavyweights of 240-260 didn't exist and they did not make the weight class of HW thinking quality 190ers would face quality 240lbers.

hese guys up based on skill. Who would win based on skill? Then insert size. If you come up with some crappy 230 lb fighter beating an atg that was 190 then you're putting too much stock into weight.

Already did. Foreman would impose his will on the vulnerable Louis with his sledgehammer left jab and much more powerful clinch game. Louis fought in the clinch a lot and relied on it significantly to get the better on his physically inferior opponents, that's a recipe for disaster against Foreman. Louis is a very methodical boxer, Foreman would completely disrupt him and force him out of his game.

I only see Louis landing some short shots at close range because he had great short counters but he would soon be getting hit with uppercuts, pushed around and man handled. Being put on the back foot and off balance disrupts your entire game, that is why I keep mentioning it. Louis doesn't have the footspeed to circle and move around Foreman long enough, he'd be there for the taking. His chin would not be able to handle Foreman's hits and He doesn't have the style to win. If Galento hurts you repeatedly and knocks you down, if Schmeling knocks you out, if Braddock plants you on your ass, if a pure LHW badly hurts you, you're not surviving the hardest hitter ever and one of the best finishers ever in boxing.

I can name you plenty of guys who would beat prime Foreman, Louis wasn't one of them.

As far as Jimmy Young, Foreman's style had changed post-Ali and Young had spoiler tactics, more importantly he fought absolutely nothing like Louis. Both he and Ali made Foreman tire out which is how they got him down in the end. If they fought Foreman like Louis would have tried, they would have been ko'd quickly. Lyle btw took Earnie Shavers' best shot, got up and won by KO, Louis is nothing like him either, he got ko'd by Schmeling in comparison of chins/durability. Styles make fights. One of the most known boxing theories, lear about it my little skinny runt.

Here's some gifs of a pure LHW lighting Louis up. once again to point out Louis' vulnerability:


chicken dance


This is gonna take the hardest punches of all time and one of the best finishers ever? I tend not to think so based on evidence.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

I just love it when som young kid, barely out of his teens, comes on here and tries to act like a real knowledgeable historian - arguing that those who disagree with him DNSAB!

DKSAB*

Don't "Know" **** About Boxing not Don't "No" **** About Boxing.

[Bundana]

DKSAB*

Don't "Know" **** About Boxing not Don't "No" **** About Boxing.

Right you are - my mistake!

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Don't act like a victim now, You should go ahead and read back the start of this discussion, it wasn't me who started this kind of dialogue like I said I merely respond to trash like you with abuse that is warranted. If you're respectful then I respond in that manner too. Your severe Louis fanboyism/brainwashed mentality couldn't handle my criticsm of his attributes which were all relevant to this thread so you lashed out first.

You're a waste of space. An anorexic sub-human(since you wanted to look into my online activity I did the same for you and found out you're 135lbs @ 5'10, that explains a lot why you're so triggered by my comments about weight and size. You feel personally offended like the skeleton that you are, it's actually pretty funny.

You didn't answer how old you are, what are you still a teenager? You certainly have that kind of childish mentality, except I would have expected teens to have a higher intellect than you. You don't even know the basics of grammar like you and you're, you don't even know how to post gifs on a message board and you sound like you don't have a job and leech off your parents since you got all the time in the world to act like this online.



Foreman was a massive guy and many find it hard to believe he was such a low weight with his frame and muscle mass, even his legs were a respectable size. For him to be 225+ @ physical maturity meant he was very well trained and his bodyfat was definitely lower than guys like Braddock, Schmeling and obviously Galento:

They could have went even lower than 190, Foreman couldn't go below his fighting weight once peaked.

The point here that will continue to go over your tiny little 135lb head is that the guys who knocked out, knocked down and hurt Louis, were nowhere near the power punching, size and strength of prime Foreman. Louis never faced a beast like this and would be blown out of there, he does not have the right style to beat him nor does he possess the physical attributes to handle Big George.

Your attempts to big up awful fighters like Braddock and Galento are futile. Max Baer was also terrible, a wild swinging windmill who fought like a caveman.

Now Walcott and Schmeling, those are some real pugilists Louis beat. But they'd be CW's in other era's and are nowhere near Foreman's level.



Willard was just about the only decent "SuperHW" of the time. The overwhelming majority of HW's back then were all around the same size of 185-200+. Quality heavyweights of 240-260 didn't exist and they did not make the weight class of HW thinking quality 190ers would face quality 240lbers.



Already did. Foreman would impose his will on the vulnerable Louis with his sledgehammer left jab and much more powerful clinch game. Louis fought in the clinch a lot and relied on it to get the better on his physically inferior opponents, that's a recipe for disaster against Foreman.

I only see Louis landing a couple of short shots at close range because he had great counters but he would soon be getting hit with uppercuts, pushed around and man handled. Being put on the back foot and off balance disrupts your entire game, that is why I keep mentioning it. Louis doesn't have the footspeed to circle and move around Foreman long enough, he'd be there for the taking. His chin would not be able to handle Foreman's hits and He doesn't have the style to win. If Galento hurts you repeatedly and knocks you down, if Braddock plants you on your ass, if a pure LHW badly hurts you, you're not surviving the hardest hitter ever and one of the best finishers ever in boxing.

I can name you plenty of guys who would beat prime Foreman, Louis wasn't one of them.

As far as Jimmy Young, Foreman's style had changed post-Ali and Young had spoiler tactics, more importantly he fought absolutely nothing like Louis. Both he and Ali made Foreman tire out which is how they got him down in the end. If they fought Foreman like Louis would have tried, they would have been ko'd quickly. Styles make fights. One of the most known boxing theories, lear about it my little skinny runt.

Here's some gifs of a pure LHW lighting Louis up. once again to point out Louis' vulnerability:


chicken dance


This is gonna take the hadest punches of all time and one of the best finishers ever? I tend not to think so based on evidence.

1. It's gonna take a hell of a lot more of a man than you to make a victim out of me.
2. You engaged me in a dialogue. I never replied to you at all. There wasn't a single thing I said to you that warranted the hostility you responded with. But like I said, you're a bltch that lives his life in fear. Self titled internet tough guy.
3. I've never hid the fact that I weigh in the 140s at 5'11/6'. I get complements on my physique almost every day. Not that it matters. My self worth isn't tied into my weight which I guarantee is more than enough to lay your sorry ass out. Btw I never did any research into your online activity, I was recalling a video I saw like a year ago and it ****** lmfao try again stalker
4. What's your obsession with my age? Does that make you better than me? Are you one of those idiots that thinks age entitles you to something?
5. Foreman wasn't 225+. He was 220. Get it right. You keep making him out to be some goliath.
6. Omg so lean


7. What is your obsession with Foreman's size? Lmfao he won because he was a beast not because he outweighed his opponents. You write half of your posts stroking him off about how much he weighed.
8. I wasn't talking about Foreman there.
9. How come all of the other fighters that hit harder than Billy Conn weren't able to do that to Louis? Case closed end of debate. You've surrendered your argument.

[BKM-]

I just love it when som young kid, barely out of his teens, comes on here and tries to act like a real knowledgeable historian - arguing that those who disagree with him DNSAB!


Reminds me of that 19-year-old Polish guy who came on here some time ago… telling us that Memphis Pal Moore was more deserving of his place in the IBHOF than Marvin Hagler, and that Battling Levinsky would maul Andre Ward. Comedy gold!

Yeah well I'm starting to get MoJoRisin's deal now. This is a young, insecure kid who kind of has that Napoleon complex except it's not his height but that he's very very skinny and probably unhealthy.

Hence he gets very upset and personally offended when he sees people talking about size, strength and attributes as positive and advantageous. It makes him feel insecure and lacking because he lacks those things.

He definitely represents the latest millenial generation: disrespectful punk, no respect to elders, always knows better and more than people who have been doing the subject since he was in his diapers(he probably still wears them btw).

[BKM-]

1. It's gonna take a hell of a lot more of a man than you to make a victim out of me.
2. You engaged me in a dialogue. I never replied to you at all. There wasn't a single thing I said to you that warranted the hostility you responded with. But like I said, you're a bltch that lives his life in fear. Self titled internet tough guy.
3. I've never hid the fact that I weigh in the 140s at 5'11/6'. I get complements on my physique almost every day. Not that it matters. My self worth isn't tied into my weight which I guarantee is more than enough to lay your sorry ass out. Btw I never did any research into your online activity, I was recalling a video I saw like a year ago and it ****** lmfao try again stalker
4. What's your obsession with my age? Does that make you better than me? Are you one of those idiots that thinks age entitles you to something?
5. Foreman wasn't 225+. He was 220. Get it right. You keep making him out to be some goliath.
6. Omg so lean


7. What is your obsession with Foreman's size? Lmfao he won because he was a beast not because he outweighed his opponents. You write half of your posts stroking him off about how much he weighed.
8. I wasn't talking about Foreman there.
9. How come all of the other fighters that hit harder than Billy Conn weren't able to do that to Louis? Case closed end of debate. You've surrendered your argument.

You're gonna ignore 80% of my content in the post and then claim "victory"? Lol Alright, you gave it a try but eventually had to throw in the towel, you simply weren't up to the task mentally and intellectually.

I hope you learned something from this thread, it should humble you and change your vile behavior towards others, you certainly needed a good smacking so you'd face the reality of your ineptitude, kid.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

You're gonna ignore 80% of my content in the post and then claim "victory"? Lol Alright, you gave it a try but eventually had to throw in the towel, you simply weren't up to the task mentally and intellectually.

I hope you learned something from this thread, it should humble you and change your vile behavior towards others, you certainly needed a good smacking so you'd face the reality of your ineptitude, kid.

80% of your post was you stroking off Foreman. What do you want me to say? Atta boy? Sorry, I don't worship mere men.

I definitely did learn something in this thread. BKM not only makes crappy highlight videos but he has the critical thinking skills of a 4th grader.

I wasn't vile towards anyone in the slightest on this thread outside of you but that was because you engaged me with unwarranted hostility. It seems the only way you can feel good about yourself is playing tough guy behind a computer screen.

Make other threads about fantasy match ups you disagree with me on and I'll certainly set you straight on there. Now unless you have a response to my post that is boxing related feel free to **** off.

[HOUDINI563]

Foreman was a tremendous puncher but in all other categories Louis outpaces him by ten miles. Louis was a pulverizing puncher and he would find Foreman an easy target to hit.