Marciano 49-0 vs. Mayweather 49-0.

[IronDanHamza]

Andre Ward might have...we don't know about Kovalev yet. Froch was a dominant win for Ward Pac was not, and hyperbole saying that the fight was not without its contraversy is silly. The fight was closer than the judges had it and many people felt pac won, maybe the judges took the same drugs!

Lol the media is indeed a vaster sample...hardly makes it better any more than a democracy means the smartest people get to make policy. Your opinion of the Oscar fight does not change the facts either.

Are you for real? You actually believe that that fight was controversial?

"Many" people think Pacquaio won is completely false. Pretty sure almost no one had Pacquaio winning and to go back to press row 100% of them had Mayweather winning. Because of course Mayweather clearly won.

Ward beat Froch clearly but it was hardly a great performance. Kovalev not an ATG doubt he even makes HOF.

I don't know why Ward is even being compared to Mayweather to be honest they are not even close to the same league.

And if you actually believe that Mayweather is not a dominant fighter then I think you should consider revising on what the term dominant means.

[IronDanHamza]

Many people share that opinion... but god forbid because its insulting to many of the Mayweather faithful to say such things!

If "many" people think Pacquaio won then name me 10 people you consider to be a boxing expert or even just have a job in boxing or something along those lines that had Pacquaio winning.

Look up the term "many" and perhals reconsider using it.

[billeau2]

Are you for real? You actually believe that that fight was controversial?

"Many" people think Pacquaio won is completely false. Pretty sure almost no one had Pacquaio winning and to go back to press row 100% of them had Mayweather winning. Because of course Mayweather clearly won.

Ward beat Froch clearly but it was hardly a great performance. Kovalev not an ATG doubt he even makes HOF.

I don't know why Ward is even being compared to Mayweather to be honest they are not even close to the same league.

And if you actually believe that Mayweather is not a dominant fighter then I think you should consider revising on what the term dominant means.

YES DAN I DO THNK THAT FIGHT WAS CONTRAVERSAL. I am not alone either. No Mayweather did not clearly win, thats why the fight was debated and why it was analyzed, etc...Sorry, thats the facts.

Dan...you don't know if Kovalev will make ATG. Ward dominated virtually anyone in his division at that tourney including Froch, there was no contraversy over who won that fight unlike Mayweather and Pac.

Dominant meaning winning like JOnes won his fights, against for example, your favorite fighter of all time James Toney (i am being facitious Dan hates Toney). So even against an older McCallum, etc Jones left no doubt that he won those fights. Those are dominant wins. Compare that to Castillo one, and to the Pac fight, the De La Hoya fight, etc.

[billeau2]

If "many" people think Pacquaio won then name me 10 people you consider to be a boxing expert or even just have a job in boxing or something along those lines that had Pacquaio winning.

Look up the term "many" and perhals reconsider using it.

Please... Im not going there, My point is that the fight was not won in a convincing fashion, it did not show that mayweather was better than Pac as compared to when, for example, Jones beat Toney. Your pushing the boundaries of the fight making me admit that I am not convinced Mayweather even won the fight, but thats an aside. The real fact of the matter is mayweather did not show he was better than Pac, he outpointed him in a game of tag...a game that some people thought he even lost.

Here are some results that show it was contraversal...this took about five minutes...there was a lot more material wonder why?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-3077424/The-punch-statistics-prove-Floyd-Mayweather-fortunate-beat-Manny-Pacquiao-unanimous-decision.html

http://www.nowboxing.com/2015/05/why-manny-pacquiao-really-won-the-fight-against-mayweather/35272/

http://sports.inquirer.net/180700/holyfield-pacquiao-should-have-won-vs-mayweather

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/07/manny-pacquiao-jeff-horn-fight-highlights-reaction-loss-judges

https://www.inquisitr.com/2082872/new-stats-show-floyd-mayweather-didnt-win-fight-against-manny-pacquiao/

[IronDanHamza]

Please... Im not going there, My point is that the fight was not won in a convincing fashion, it did not show that mayweather was better than Pac as compared to when, for example, Jones beat Toney. Your pushing the boundaries of the fight making me admit that I am not convinced Mayweather even won the fight, but thats an aside. The real fact of the matter is mayweather did not show he was better than Pac, he outpointed him in a game of tag...a game that some people thought he even lost.

Because you can't

Ok then name me 5. I'll give you a head start Evander Holyfield thought Pacquaio won so that's 1. Give me 4 more. If "many" think he won.

I didn't say it was "dominant" I said Mayweather won clearly, which he did. Anyone with a brain cell can see that. "Controversial"? That's as baffling as it is funny.

[IronDanHamza]

YES DAN I DO THNK THAT FIGHT WAS CONTRAVERSAL. I am not alone either. No Mayweather did not clearly win, thats why the fight was debated and why it was analyzed, etc...Sorry, thats the facts.

Dan...you don't know if Kovalev will make ATG. Ward dominated virtually anyone in his division at that tourney including Froch, there was no contraversy over who won that fight unlike Mayweather and Pac.

Dominant meaning winning like JOnes won his fights, against for example, your favorite fighter of all time James Toney (i am being facitious Dan hates Toney). So even against an older McCallum, etc Jones left no doubt that he won those fights. Those are dominant wins. Compare tha,t to Castillo one, and to the Pac fight, the De La Hoya fight, etc.

"Facts"? I think you need to do a fact check.

Same question, name me 5 people you consider a boxing expert who think Pac won. If it's a "fact"

Debated and analysed? Almost everyone had Mayweather winning! THAT is a fact. You want me to list people? Because unlike you I can. I bet I could list 50 off the top of my head. Can you list me 5?

You are just listing random fights and comparing them to other random fights.

Ward's fight with Sakio Bika was about as "close" as Mayweather's fight with Oscar.

Roy Jones had a back and forth fight with Griffin and was DQ'd out of frustration yet Mayweather dominated and stopped Corrales. Roy Jones had an either way fight with Antonio Tarver yet Floyd dominated Canelo Alvarez. Roy Jones got sparked by Tarver in the rematch yet Mayweather beat Castillo clearly in his rematch.

See that? I can compare random fights too.

[IronDanHamza]

Please... Im not going there, My point is that the fight was not won in a convincing fashion, it did not show that mayweather was better than Pac as compared to when, for example, Jones beat Toney. Your pushing the boundaries of the fight making me admit that I am not convinced Mayweather even won the fight, but thats an aside. The real fact of the matter is mayweather did not show he was better than Pac, he outpointed him in a game of tag...a game that some people thought he even lost.

Here are some results that show it was contraversal...this took about five minutes...there was a lot more material wonder why?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-3077424/The-punch-statistics-prove-Floyd-Mayweather-fortunate-beat-Manny-Pacquiao-unanimous-decision.html

http://www.nowboxing.com/2015/05/why-manny-pacquiao-really-won-the-fight-against-mayweather/35272/

http://sports.inquirer.net/180700/holyfield-pacquiao-should-have-won-vs-mayweather

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/07/manny-pacquiao-jeff-horn-fight-highlights-reaction-loss-judges

https://www.inquisitr.com/2082872/ne...anny-pacquiao/

I said list me 10 people you consider a boxing expert or knows about boxing who thought Pacquaio won.

What you have done there is list me to articles that reference fan made punch stats.

You have Holyfield. That's one.

Give me 4 more.

You want me to give you 50 that had Mayweather winning? Because I can do that off the top of my head. Infact, I could probably give you 100.

[Scary]

He's 50-0. That's a fact. So if you're in denial about facts, why would we take anything else you say seriously?

That's the thing about facts. You're not entitled to your own facts. Only your own opinions. Some things are universal truths that are not up for argument.

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/352

As for Marciano, he should be glad Floyd fought one more time. Now Marciano is back to having the best record of any fighter who retired as champion. Had Floyd never returned, Marciano would have had to share that distinction forever. Now he doesn't have to. Floyd didn't retire as a champion, so Marciano is back to being the only one.

Except genders it seems. LOL

[TonyGe]

Many people share that opinion... but god forbid because its insulting to many of the Mayweather faithful to say such things!

I've noticed. LOL.

[TonyGe]

Because you can't

Ok then name me 5. I'll give you a head start Evander Holyfield thought Pacquaio won so that's 1. Give me 4 more. If "many" think he won.

I didn't say it was "dominant" I said Mayweather won clearly, which he did. Anyone with a brain cell can see that. "Controversial"? That's as baffling as it is funny.

Holyfield
The entire editorial staff at Boxing News 24
Post fight analysis by Spanish TV coverage had a panel of experts. All had Pacquiao winning as the proper result but some said a draw would be acceptable. There were about 7 guys in the panel if memory serves.