The Smile of Irrespressible Sadness: Whitaker vs Chavez

[soul_survivor]

Pea should've certainly won that but it wasn't the worse decision ever.

[lightsout_finit]

Wilfredo Rivera beat that fraud twice. Nobody likes to talk about that.
Rivera exposed pernal as one dimensional and to dumb to deal with height and range

WOW

You didn't even say pernall just scraped the second fight.

You're actually going to pretend homeboy won the first you disingenious scum.

I suppose if you're trying to get sympathy for pernal in the chavez fight, the wilfreda robberies are an ugly fact that hurts your narrative

hahaha

If you think homeboy was one of the best ATG welters you are a moron.

It is very far fetched...

Not even top 1000 in my book

at that weight class he lost to twice wilfreda rivera and went life and death with a faded buggy Mcdirt and drew to chavez and went life and death with bum hurtadoe and he was a coward against de la hoyer and he got beat up by trinidad

i would argue pernall nevr got even one big win that all the TRUE greats have

tell me
who is a great prime fighter that pernall beat?
when ever the guy was at the top level he looked like nothing more than a spoiler



name one great fighter pernall beat who wasnt old or small

Genius.

[billeau2]

Pea should've certainly won that but it wasn't the worse decision ever.

There are many horrendous decisions, its kind of impossible to find the worse decision. I will say that Jones may have suffered one of the worse in the olympics.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

That had nothing to do with it for me. Whitaker outclassed Chavez in every department. Including body punches.

Im not saying that was what you did.

I'm just saying Chavez was much more competitive than the general public gives him credit for.

He probably won the first 2 rounds, and was shot for shot competitive thru 5, then pernell dragged him and dominated, though the final few rounds, Chavez made a final stand and became competitive again.
115-112 or 116-112 pernell, seems legit, and scoring round by round ringside, it's not absurd or robbery to call it a draw.

I really don't have a problem per se with people scoring it 9-3 for pernell, I disagree more with the notion that it was one of the worst robberies ever.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

That had nothing to do with it for me. Whitaker outclassed Chavez in every department. Including body punches.

Yes I do agree that pernell beat him in every catergory

[soul_survivor]

There are many horrendous decisions, its kind of impossible to find the worse decision. I will say that Jones may have suffered one of the worse in the olympics.

In terms of Olympics ofc but the pro ranks are vastly different.

[billeau2]

In terms of Olympics ofc but the pro ranks are vastly different.

Yes. its different but equally reprehensible. The most humiliated individual in the Jones decision was his opponent, who had honorable intentions...we don't see that in the pro for sure, Chavez lost a lot of respect for not admitting he got pasted by the pea. That is one among many differences.

[FLEX U.K]

Not even top 1000 in my book

at that weight class he lost to twice wilfreda rivera and went life and death with a faded buggy Mcdirt and drew to chavez and went life and death with bum hurtadoe and he was a coward against de la hoyer and he got beat up by trinidad

i would argue pernall nevr got even one big win that all the TRUE greats have

tell me
who is a great prime fighter that pernall beat?
when ever the guy was at the top level he looked like nothing more than a spoiler



name one great fighter pernall beat who wasnt old or small

Wow you have incredibly high standards if you think there are 1000 better welterweights of all time than Whitaker,that statement is absolutely ridiculous.i'm not interested in debating resumes,that's not the only criteria I look at to judge a fighters all time standing.Whitaker is one of the best defensive fighters of all time,there won't be many lists around that don't have him top 10-15,other than yours!

[yngwie]

Whitaker vs Ramirez is imo the worst robbery in pro boxing.

[joseph5620]

Whitaker vs Ramirez is imo the worst robbery in pro boxing.

That was horrible too.