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  • The Old LefHook
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    #11
    If talk of the fight is all over social media as you say, why then the job of selling it is already done, so let's get on with the rematch. We do not live forever and I am tired of waiting it out for each of these prima donnas and their angling promoters.

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      #12
      Originally posted by The Old LefHook
      If talk of the fight is all over social media as you say, why then the job of selling it is already done, so let's get on with the rematch. We do not live forever and I am tired of waiting it out for each of these prima donnas and their angling promoters.

      You have to build it up a bit. One ironic thing happening in the sport, is a bunch of more casual fans coming in, sparked by an interest in MMA. The problem is that unlike the Mexican and Caribean fan base, which is supportive and, from a marketing perspective, predictive in their viewing habits, the new influx of fans need to be enticed into the inner circle and do not fit into an easy profile....

      What is the typical buyer for a boxing match, gatewayed through MMA viewing? Is it a toothless fat gutted middle aged man with a tap out shirt stretching over his gut? Is it a Jiu Jitsu player working out at the gym who likes to see the different skill sets in combatives? What about women? Because the woman's division has a lot of interest... These are some issues with getting people into boxing.

      I never pay much attention to these aspects but it appears that the Ward Kovalev people need to attract more interest in the rematch to justify the loss. many businesses operate at a loss for a while before success... most restaurants for example. But one has to be able to justify why.

      One great point made over on other threads about this fight is...Where does Ward go from here? For example, if one was managing Parker and wanted to market him. took a bath on a few fights, they are also looking at solid fights that will increase parker's value. There are tons of legitimate heavyweight challenges out there at the moment. Ward, on the other hand does not have many guys to fight for a super fight where everyone makes a mint...If he beats Kovalev again, who is left for him to fight?

      Social media feuds can generate interest. I think this might be an underlying consideration. I would be suprised if Ward does not fufill.

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        #13
        I don't think Ward is holding up the rematch because he wants "an admission of defeat" from Kovalev.

        He simply wants the fight purse to reflect the fact that he officially won the first bout. It's about the money.

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          #14
          There's good potential money in a rematch, given the controversial decision. They need to market it properly. If Ward really wants to make a mark in the sport as he did during & shortly after Super 6, he will rematch Kovalev.

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            #15
            Its a tough nut. A lot of light heavies can go up to cruiser and beyond. No way Ward can make that jump. From what I understand there are a lot of heavy hitters in the light heavy weight class, none of them appear a legitimate threat to Ward given that he fought Kovalev.

            The question becomes who Ward will fight next?

            Heres the historical context: Most of the great Light heavies went up to heavyweight occasionally especially in a weak division. In no particular order, Spinks, Michael Moore, Archie Moore, Foster, Charles... Slapsie maxie...Tunney all could fight heavyweight. I don't think Ward can make that jump.

            he could try to fight triple G I suppose... Thats actually his money fight, at a catchweight. But again, Ward does not want to take his aging body and drop weight... At least I don't think so and isn't triple G afraid of Ward?

            So where are the fights for Ward?
            Last edited by billeau2; 12-23-2016, 02:04 PM.

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              #16
              Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
              I don't think Ward is holding up the rematch because he wants "an admission of defeat" from Kovalev.

              He simply wants the fight purse to reflect the fact that he officially won the first bout. It's about the money.
              Agreed. Under normal circumstances that would be natural. So he is seeking more than the 5m he got last time. However the revenue from the fight couldnt cover that purse.

              So its depending on Ward getting a bigger purse from his own promotor. In other words it has nothing to do with Kovalev. It's all on Ward and his team. The interpretation of that fact is the issue.

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                #17
                Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                Agreed. Under normal circumstances that would be natural. So he is seeking more than the 5m he got last time. However the revenue from the fight couldnt cover that purse.

                So its depending on Ward getting a bigger purse from his own promotor. In other words it has nothing to do with Kovalev. It's all on Ward and his team. The interpretation of that fact is the issue.
                Ward thinks he deserves more than he got last time. That's not unreasonable given that he is now the champ.

                But I do agree that based on these two fighter's drawing power there is a limit to how much they can realistically expect to get paid.

                One thing is for sure, though: whatever money is in the pot for this bout Ward is right to demand a greater share of it than Kovalev.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                  Ward thinks he deserves more than he got last time. That's not unreasonable given that he is now the champ.

                  But I do agree that based on these two fighter's drawing power there is a limit to how much they can realistically expect to get paid.

                  One thing is for sure, though: whatever money is in the pot for this bout Ward is right to demand a greater share of it than Kovalev.
                  Everything regarding the split in the rematch has already been agreed upon in the contract for the first fight. In other words the split (whatever that may be) has already been seen, signed and delivered. So if the purse and hence Ward's share is lower than what he thinks he is entitled to, he has to ask his promotor for more money. Its straightforward.

                  It has nothing to do with Kovalev. Its Ward who makes or breaks this fight.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                    Everything regarding the split in the rematch has already been agreed upon in the contract for the first fight. In other words the split (whatever that may be) has already been seen, signed and delivered. So if the purse and hence Ward's share is lower than what he thinks he is entitled to, he has to ask his promotor for more money. Its straightforward.

                    It has nothing to do with Kovalev. Its Ward who makes or breaks this fight.
                    Are you sure that the split has already been agreed on? I know that's what Kathy Duva insinuates but I'd like to have it confirmed by a neutral party.

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                      #20
                      Not sure why Duran moving on from Kenny is called a slight!
                      There was no return clause and the fight was dominated by Duran at the time of the tko at 9-3 and 8-4!
                      At 21 years old there was no reason to rematch a Euro fighter unless they wanted to go to England. Why do that when you go home for house cooking and take advantage of the title. Also remember back then the Champs fought "non-titled" bouts to keep in tone and get some "paid sparring in"!


                      As for Ward he earned the match up as far as Duva was concerned and Wards backers compensated him. Now he's the Champ and the compensation needs to come from the "other side"! Duva knows this but won't pony up to give Koval the chance to collect what he thinks is his.
                      They don't want to get burnt if he looses and if he wins who is there to fight, Stevenson?

                      Tricky situation for the promoters it's time for Duva to pony up and stop crying about the decision, that's decided now!

                      It wasn't a great fight because Koval didn't put his ballz down. Ward was trying to score and not get hurt but Koval needed some LaMotta to come out, it didn't!

                      Koval wins a decision and they go to a trilogy?

                      But it's all they have left..................................
                      ..................maybe Joe the "Commonman" Smith????? hahahahaha........


                      Ray

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