LOL your mad because you lost an arguement, thats why you try to get personal. Thats what is really pathetic.
And its all fact, notice how I have links and it is all documented? Its not hearsay its simple compare and contrast. And I never tried to pass off Marciano as the superior fighter over Ali. Thats just you getting personal because you have nothing.
The opinions were quoted from the likes of Joe Louis, George Foreman, and Joe Frazier. Yes sir expert opinions.
More like TKO in 6 because Ali was fast and would land alot on him but his jab would be able to play the key in HOW long it would take to beat him...Ali TKO Valuev in 6
My point is some people on here are racially motivated, even though they deny it, and they are somewhat subtle. Not you, but others.
LOL your mad because you lost an arguement, thats why you try to get personal. Thats what is really pathetic.
And its all fact, notice how I have links and it is all documented? Its not hearsay its simple compare and contrast. And I never tried to pass off Marciano as the superior fighter over Ali. Thats just you getting personal because you have nothing.
The opinions were quoted from the likes of Joe Louis, George Foreman, and Joe Frazier. Yes sir expert opinions.
Lost what argument? What facts? Where in your first post did you back up anything with facts? You posted some links of people's opinions and posted some age differences, but that doesn't mean **** because they're viewed by opinions. What was the ****ing purpose of this thread? To show that Marciano is a great fighter? How in the hell can you prove this with facts? Everything that you posted is ambiguious. Since when did the likes of Foreman and Frazier suddenly become expert opinions? As far as I can recall, these guys are boxers not analyst. Ohh, George Foreman also supposedly said that a prime Mike Tyson would beat him, Joe Frazier, and Ali; are we supposed to somehow take that opinion to heart because is came from a guy who couldn't even finish school?
You never tried to pass him off as the superior fighter to Ali, no, you just posted the fact that he beat him in a computer match several times in your thread like it means anything at all.
The argument that we had before was who had the more impressive first 49 matches of their career-- Foreman or the Rock. All you did was name a few names and say that the Rock's ko streak in his first 49 was more impressive. That's far from what I'd call a great breakdown.
In order to find out who had the more impressive ko number through 49, you'd have to look at everyone that they ko'd. Then you'd have to look at everyone that ko'd them to judge their chins. And then you'd have look at every single person that they fought to see if they were hard hitters, and then you'd have to check who those people fought to honestly judge their power... it could keep going on and on.. until you do that, you haven't proven ****. So, stfu.
Rock Marciano was a good fighter. Joe Louis is used as example for your argument, but wasn't he old, and hadn't he retired before that fight. And, i heard that he was well past his prime so to use him as your defence seems oddly strange - Louis was a humble guy and if i got beat by a guy i would have to admit he was good, otherwise saying you are rubbish makes me look bad as a boxer.
I can't discount his fights with Archie Moore or some of the other known legends that you list and 49-0-0 is a fantastic record but like you wrote his fighting style was sloppy, he probably could take you and me in a street fight - but for me he didnt have the style nor grace that other fighters had like Ali or even Frazier when he used to bob and weave.
My opinion is that he was a good fighter, good record but when you think of someone special you think of Muhammad Ali - simply for what he could do - knock people out with ONLY his jabs most of the time, his handspeed was devasting thats what made so special, that and footwork.
For me, standing toe-to-toe with a guy until one gets knocked out like jack dempsey would do isnt special in my eyes.
Sorry, but thats my opinion, i actually have his fight against Ezzard Charles, i'm not a great fan of Marciano so i dont know if he had a couple of fights or a trilogy but half-way through it didnt thrill me.
Rock Marciano was a good fighter. Joe Louis is used as example for your argument, but wasn't he old, and hadn't he retired before that fight. And, i heard that he was well past his prime so to use him as your defence seems oddly strange - Louis was a humble guy and if i got beat by a guy i would have to admit he was good, otherwise saying you are rubbish makes me look bad as a boxer.
I can't discount his fights with Archie Moore or some of the other known legends that you list and 49-0-0 is a fantastic record but like you wrote his fighting style was sloppy, he probably could take you and me in a street fight - but for me he didnt have the style nor grace that other fighters had like Ali or even Frazier when he used to bob and weave.
My opinion is that he was a good fighter, good record but when you think of someone special you think of Muhammad Ali - simply for what he could do - knock people out with ONLY his jabs most of the time, his handspeed was devasting thats what made so special, that and footwork.
For me, standing toe-to-toe with a guy until one gets knocked out like jack dempsey would do isnt special in my eyes.
Sorry, but thats my opinion, i actually have his fight against Ezzard Charles, i'm not a great fan of Marciano so i dont know if he had a couple of fights or a trilogy but half-way through it didnt thrill me.
Great post anyway.
thats a good post
but i disagree rocky was a great fighter.........
i dont care if you dance and jab or slug it out.........it is the result that counts...........and rocky got every result.....
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