Who do you rank higher P4P? Pacquiao or Holyfield

[Mr.MojoRisin']

And especially since Holyfield was part of the start of what was called junior heavyweight back then.

P4P of course Manny is ranked higher.

Don't forget that Holyfield is regarded as an ATG Heavyweight top 10 at least. That's enough in itself considering the depth of the division.

[LacedUp]

Don't forget that Holyfield is regarded as an ATG Heavyweight top 10 at least. That's enough in itself considering the depth of the division.

Enough to do what?

P4P is an unfair comparison to a guy who spent the vast majority of his career at heavyweight.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Enough to do what?

P4P is an unfair comparison to a guy who spent the vast majority of his career at heavyweight.

To put him higher than Pacquiao on the p4p list. Wtf did you think the thread was about?

Why tf are you waiting until I comment to say this? You should have said something to the OP instead.

[LacedUp]

To put him higher than Pacquiao on the p4p list. Wtf did you think the thread was about?

Why tf are you waiting until I comment to say this? You should have said something to the OP instead.

That's definitely not enough. I said it was obvious Manny was higher P4P which it is.

I also explained to you in another post how the post you made about Pacquiao not being the greatest in any weightclasses can be seen from a different perspective.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

That's definitely not enough. I said it was obvious Manny was higher P4P which it is.

I also explained to you in another post how the post you made about Pacquiao not being the greatest in any weightclasses can be seen from a different perspective.

He's certainly a top guy in a couple of weight classes but not the greatest. All of the good fighters he fought were old. Pacquiao's chin is to fragile as well. Holyfield was just a smarter better rounded fighter. For christ's sake were talking about a fighter who couldn't even cut off the ring.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

He's certainly a top guy in a couple of weight classes but not the greatest. All of the good fighters he fought were old. Pacquiao's chin is to fragile as well. Holyfield was just a smarter better rounded fighter. For christ's sake were talking about a fighter who couldn't even cut off the ring.

Old the guys that manny fought were old???

Not really,,

Lebedwa was prime
Barrera was a kingpin coming off taking the '0' from both morales and prince
Morales was a fight removed from losing the 130 title to barrera in a classic and had just beat manny in a classic
Marquez fought manny 4 times spanning a decade with major titles at stake everytime, and marquez was p4p everytime
Hatton was at a weight where he was kingpin at
Cotto was prime
Bradley was prime

The only guys that were really old were Oscar and shane..
And Oscar was a huge favorite over manny...

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Old the guys that manny fought were old???

Not really,,

Lebedwa was prime
Barrera was a kingpin coming off taking the '0' from both morales and prince
Morales was a fight removed from losing the 130 title to barrera in a classic and had just beat manny in a classic
Marquez fought manny 4 times spanning a decade with major titles at stake everytime, and marquez was p4p everytime
Hatton was at a weight where he was kingpin at
Cotto was prime
Bradley was prime

The only guys that were really old were Oscar and shane..
And Oscar was a huge favorite over manny...

Barrera and Morales are the only great fighters on that list the others are/were trash.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Barrera and Morales are the only great fighters on that list the others are/were trash.

Marquez, cotto, Bradley is trash... Lmao ok dude, whatever

[The Old LefHook]

That's definitely not enough. I said it was obvious Manny was higher P4P which it is.

I also explained to you in another post how the post you made about Pacquiao not being the greatest in any weightclasses can be seen from a different perspective.

P4P I think it would be close. I would lean toward Holly because of the superior chin. Pacquiao has been out cold twice from men his own size. That says a lot to me. Cold says a lot. Holly was a better pure boxer, but the bobbing and weaving of prime Pacquiao is plain hard to deal with for anyone.

There has never been an Asian that I recall having a chin of true first rank, a peerless chin. It could definitely have to do with jaw anatomy, more likely a whole cascade of anatomical features interacting, such as skull thickness, etc. But definitely Asians have the more flaring jaws of the races from front to back. Whites are next and then come the blacks. I really do not know how much it plays into it, but we should assume, I believe, that the angle at which the jaw flares would likely have some impact on punch resistance. Engineers or doctors might have an idea. Any on here? Sonny was a doctor, wasn't he?

[LacedUp]

He's certainly a top guy in a couple of weight classes but not the greatest. All of the good fighters he fought were old. Pacquiao's chin is to fragile as well. Holyfield was just a smarter better rounded fighter. For christ's sake were talking about a fighter who couldn't even cut off the ring.

that's fooking ******ed