Who do you rank higher P4P? Pacquiao or Holyfield

[Mr.MojoRisin']

1. How did he fight better competition.. Morales, marquez, floyd, barrera are better than anyone Evander ever faced

2. Longevity- Evander was championship material from 86-99.. 14 years.. Manny has been championship material from 98-16... 18 years..

3. Evander didn't have the same power as manny.. Manny has dropped, wrecked, or stopped lebedwa, barrera, marquez, morales, hatton, cotto, bradley, Oscar, shane.... Name evander's big stoppage wins

4. Lmao about qawi coming off a stoppage win over Leon Spinks being a significant big win,,, that's really not saying much

The function of me saying that Qawi was coming off of the leon spinks win was to display that he wasn't trash.

Pacquiao has only been championship material since 2001-2016. 15 years. Evander was championship material from 1986 to the end of his career. Evander had a 27 year ring career and fought top guys for the last 25 years of his career.

Holyfield was stopping guys throughout his entire career unlike Pac.

Being a better p4p fighter doesn't come down to best stoppage wins. How many great dominating stoppage wins did Willie Pep have? None that are noteworthy if any.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The function of me saying that Qawi was coming off of the leon spinks win was to display that he wasn't trash.

Pacquiao has only been championship material since 2001-2016. 15 years. Evander was championship material from 1986 to the end of his career. Evander had a 27 year ring career and fought top guys for the last 25 years of his career.

Holyfield was stopping guys throughout his entire career unlike Pac.

Being a better p4p fighter doesn't come down to best stoppage wins. How many great dominating stoppage wins did Willie Pep have? None that are noteworthy if any.

Ok, well I don't want to beat a dead horse, I got no more points to make.. We will just have to agree to disagree

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Ok, well I don't want to beat a dead horse, I got no more points to make.. We will just have to agree to disagree

Sounds good

[gamesworn]

You are using a double standard...

Grand scale of things, evander at cruiser beat qawi twice, deleon, ossie ocasio.. qawi was the best fighter evander faced at cruiser, and qawi was past prime and was nowhere near as good as he was at light heavy years earlier.
Lembedwa, morales, barrera, marquez were much better competition for manny in the lower weight classes..

You say manny fought old guys, well evander defended vs old foreman and holmes. Those are his best title defenses..
He beat bowe once, and got knocked out by bowe,, also lost to moorer, nice victory in the rematch and also a solid win over mercer.. Tyson was past prime but so was evander at that point.. after tyson, he defended once against one of the worst title challengers ever in Vaughn Bean.. Then he came up short 2 times to lewis, and then struggled and was beaten by ruiz, toney, byrd.
I don't see how any of those guys "in the grand scheme of things" could be considered great besides the bowe win.

marquez x4, morales x3, barrera x2, hatton, cotto, oscar, margarito, shane, bradley x3, lebedwa, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
quawi x2, deleon, dokes, osscie, buster, bowe 3x, tyson 2x, moorer 2x, lennox 2x, ruiz 3x, mercer, holmes, foreman

major career fights vs rivals
evander:
tyson 2-0
bowe 1-2
lennox 0-1-1
foreman 1-0
holmes 1-0
moorer 1-1
overall 6-4-1

Manny overall
floyd 0-1
hatton 1-0
cotto 1-0
bradley 2-1,,, should be undefeated
morales 2-1
barrera 2-0
marquez 2-1-1
lebedwa 1-0
overall 11-4-1,,,, and without the bradley robbery it would be 12-3-1

And I'm leaving off wins for 112 title, margarito, diaz for 135 belt, mosely, oscar

And manny fought many more elite p4p guys
barrera
marquez
bradley
cotto
floyd
were all legit p4p guys, and morales was just a few months removed


Evander fought more old guys, less p4p guys, struggled more, lost more, got knocked out multiple times just like manny,

also evander was never considered p4p#1, while manny reigned atop p4p for a year or so, 08-09

Plus, manny had dominante performances in some of his biggest fights i.e. barrera 1, hatton, cotto, bradley... Evander never had a major dominant victory in any of his big wins


I don't see any logical way to have evander ahead of manny

Good Post

You can add Sasakul there as 1 of Pacquiao's Best Win. Sasakul defeated Yuri for his lineal flyweight title. Pacquiao was considered p4p 1 from 2008-2011

[MrRolltide91]

You rank on strength and weakness..

Evander got dragged into wars with nearly everyone,,, manny fought better competition and was way more dominant than evander ever was..

Evander had huge heart, and good but not great skills

Manny is above him in terms of skills, competition faced, longevity


Name one big fight that evander dominated in???

Manny clearly dominated barrera, hatton, ledbedwa, hatton, cotto, bradley..

Evander never dominated

Holyfield vs Tyson 1

[soul_survivor]

Holyfield, managed to beat top fighters across 2 weight division, become THE MAN at heavyweight 2 or 3 times and holds wins over Tyson, Bowe, Douglas, Holmes and Foreman. Not to mention Moorer. Holyfield was a great heavyweight, one of the greatest ever and possibly the greatest cruiserweight.

Pacquiao is great too and probably falls a bit short compared to Holyfield.

[motivational]

Holyfield vs Tyson 1

How can you even bring up Tyson vs Holyfield, when Holyfield was off his head on drugs? Holyfield shouldn't even be classed as an amazing boxer. I'm not saying that Pacquiao is any better but Holyfield was a total fraud.

[them_apples]

Pacquiao at 126 definitely falls into the great category. He also fought in an era with some beefy competition and has a good shot of actually overwhelming other greats depending on their style.

I mean, IMO sanchez is probably the best I've seen at 126. He would have beat Arguello I think. so young yet so good. very good defense, amazing ring smarts and skills. Iron chin, unlimited stamina and big for a featherweight (see him vs Nelson).

I know there are some good punchers throughout history at 126, but Pacman had an iron chin his entire career. He got hit and proved he could weather it. It shocked everyone when Marquez actually stopped him.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Pacquiao at 126 definitely falls into the great category. He also fought in an era with some beefy competition and has a good shot of actually overwhelming other greats depending on their style.

I mean, IMO sanchez is probably the best I've seen at 126. He would have beat Arguello I think. so young yet so good. very good defense, amazing ring smarts and skills. Iron chin, unlimited stamina and big for a featherweight (see him vs Nelson).

I know there are some good punchers throughout history at 126, but Pacman had an iron chin his entire career. He got hit and proved he could weather it. It shocked everyone when Marquez actually stopped him.

I think Sanchez is the best at 126 too. Imo Pacman was knocked out too many times and caught with a punch that he should have seen coming. At that point in his career against Marquez a knockout should have been out of the question. He had previously fought him and was very familiar with him. A good aggressive counter puncher with decent power could knock him out at any weight.

[them_apples]

I think Sanchez is the best at 126 too. Imo Pacman was knocked out too many times and caught with a punch that he should have seen coming. At that point in his career against Marquez a knockout should have been out of the question. He had previously fought him and was very familiar with him. A good aggressive counter puncher with decent power could knock him out at any weight.

well he was koed twice, once when he was a teenager and the other by Marquez. If you are digging we can say a fat middleweight named James Toney stopped Holyfield.

On a further note, I seriously thought Holmes beat Holyfield, and Holmes was really on the slide - nowhere near his prime. I agree Holyfield fought everyone but he didn't BEAT everyone and that's what matters. The unfortunate thing for Holyfield is I feel his career was mismanaged. They threw him in with Bowe and he went to war with a much larger and stronger man. They threw him in with George and he took some heavy leather in that fight as well. By the time he fought Lewis and Tyson he was blown up and somewhat battered. He Beat Tyson because Tyson was on the decline as well - and was somewhat overrated himself and still is to this day.

Pacquiao has beat, and even dominated great fighters. Having guys like Barrera, Morales, Marquez on your resume with W's in each category pretty much solidifies greatness. These men weren't completely shot either, Barrera in fact was in his absolute prime as well as Marquez.

Then he jumped weight classes and wiped out the WW division with relative ease. Topping off his career he got in with Floyd Mayweather a little too late in his career but truth be told it was a close fight and the odds were against him at that point in his career anyways. I could explain more but Pacquiao is seriously the best fighter over the past 20 years if you want to go by accomplishments and resume. Even now he has become a relatively flat footed fighter because of his age, and he is still able to beat and even dominate top young fighters.