Prime Liston vs Prime Tyson

[Ray Corso]

size size size that's all that's discussed on a forum that needs to know how to evaluate TALENT!

Liston has a few inches of height and more than a few in reach! Mike has 10 pounds on him if you think Tyson was better at 220, which he wasn't!
Liston is the bigger man and if he can utilize his advantages then they are advantages if not his reach becomes a liability!
Can a fighters methodology and the techniques he uses win over an opponent or does the opponent have the intangibles to negate his opponents strong suits!

This is an intelligent conversation when fantasy matching are being discussed not how much the guy weighs! Butterbread weighs 310 could he beat a 215 Tyson? Anyone who says yes is a total fool!

Talent regarding skill level and technical abilities is prime not weight!
Find the video of Too Tall Jones in his 2 or 3 pro bouts, the guy was an All Pro football player who stood 6'9" and weighed 275lbs for boxing!
Plenty of size.................not much talent!

Ray

[rightsideup]

size size size that's all that's discussed on a forum that needs to know how to evaluate TALENT!

Liston has a few inches of height and more than a few in reach! Mike has 10 pounds on him if you think Tyson was better at 220, which he wasn't!
Liston is the bigger man and if he can utilize his advantages then they are advantages if not his reach becomes a liability!
Can a fighters methodology and the techniques he uses win over an opponent or does the opponent have the intangibles to negate his opponents strong suits!

This is an intelligent conversation when fantasy matching are being discussed not how much the guy weighs! Butterbread weighs 310 could he beat a 215 Tyson? Anyone who says yes is a total fool!

Talent regarding skill level and technical abilities is prime not weight!
Find the video of Too Tall Jones in his 2 or 3 pro bouts, the guy was an All Pro football player who stood 6'9" and weighed 275lbs for boxing!
Plenty of size.................not much talent!

Ray

Not for boxing..made a not bad comedy actor in those police academy movies. Guys with size from other sports have always been sideshow acts in boxing even look at actor Micky Rourke who was a amateur boxer,talanted leading man than journey man pro boxer

[Ray Corso]

police academy======Big Bubba Smith, Too Tall was back with the Cowboys in 74 as the number 1 pick and hall of famer! Great football player not soi much in boxing!

[juggernaut666]

Holmes ?

I considered him a better 225 fighter ....Had more solid legs under him. He never really lost speed either as he got older just watch him at 40's. he did lose a bit mobility but that comes with age. just like I would take the better solid 70's ali over the more moving 60's Clay.

[juggernaut666]

That's a very good point. You're right when saying we never saw Liston against anyone of Tyson's size. Tyson would rip through Liston's resume aside from Ali.

Well unlike the so called boxing experts like corso who doesn't know a thing really besides how to tell how smart he is, give advice on skipping rope etc,etc ...I know my boxing believe me I don't b.s!

Liston was tough but his resume really only reads Cleveland Williams.And if you consider Patterson a good win,its not something I consider really the guy couldn't take a punch and he was a natural 185 pounder.Yes SIZE...lmao

[juggernaut666]

size size size that's all that's discussed on a forum that needs to know how to evaluate TALENT!

Liston has a few inches of height and more than a few in reach! Mike has 10 pounds on him if you think Tyson was better at 220, which he wasn't!
Liston is the bigger man and if he can utilize his advantages then they are advantages if not his reach becomes a liability!
Can a fighters methodology and the techniques he uses win over an opponent or does the opponent have the intangibles to negate his opponents strong suits!

This is an intelligent conversation when fantasy matching are being discussed not how much the guy weighs! Butterbread weighs 310 could he beat a 215 Tyson? Anyone who says yes is a total fool!

Talent regarding skill level and technical abilities is prime not weight!
Find the video of Too Tall Jones in his 2 or 3 pro bouts, the guy was an All Pro football player who stood 6'9" and weighed 275lbs for boxing!
Plenty of size.................not much talent!

Ray

Tyson is in a one percent category.and we are talking Liston who was lighter than Tyson...yea the "BIG BEAR"..Here you are throwing in Bean and worse too Tall Jones like the moron you really are to try and point out size is irrelevant , but you know who can beat Gallento right? Butter bean ...does that make him an ATG like Gallento?....think about that one ray ,and take your meds you fool....oh and Ray the bigger man in boxing is the one who usually weighs more not who has the longer reach

P.s if you took the time to read the other posts you wouldn't have me CORRECT you all the time I already stated Tyson was at his best at 218 ...meanwhile you are trying to tell me if liston grew in size when his actuall weight in HIS prime was near 210 pounds not over or near 225 as he got older is going to change anything with the MUCH more skilled Tyson which we are talking skills not just weight but like everything it went over your head and you didn't bother to read other posts being the know it all you THINK you are....are you telling me Listons smaller weight doesn't come into play when he RELIED on SIZE as his main advantage ? The hard truth for you to actually admit a Tyson win here even though it was like pulling teeth becaue your so crazy glued to nostalgic B.S ,is Tyson at any year would beat a prime Liston!

[juggernaut666]

Oh no. Now I remember you. You're that troll who got banned from east side boxing. Not only were you banned, but your accounts completely deleted from existence. I will spend no more time feeding the troll I already got wrapped around my leash.

You went full ****** ...shouldn't you be making more Tyson match ups .? why not do Stanley Ketchel and explain how he also wins over Tyson that's right up your alley..

[abdelfadeel]

I remember when I was arguing with this idiot juggernaut666 on Esb until a poster, finally saved my sanity and time. He said to me and I quote, "Don't bother feeding the troll. Go to his page and look at all his posts since day one. Every single one a troll post. Probably someone hired by the ESB administrators to "stir things up" in here and get people posting. So obvious." It seems the perception of you still has not changed,

Ignore him."

[abdelfadeel]

You went full ****** ...shouldn't you be making more Tyson match ups .?why not do Stanley Ketchel and explain how he also wins over Tyson that's right up your alley..

In your first sentence, you can't even use proper grammar. That sums up your knowledge, and by extension, the value of your contribution. So go slither back in to the pond you managed to crawl out of. Verminous scum.

[juggernaut666]

I remember when I was arguing with this idiot juggernaut666 on Esb until a poster, finally saved my sanity and time. He said to me and I quote, "Don't bother feeding the troll. Go to his page and look at all his posts since day one. Every single one a troll post. Probably someone hired by the ESB administrators to "stir things up" in here and get people posting. So obvious." It seems the perception of you still has not changed,

Ignore him.

If boxing scene was smart they would discard you about now at least make a Black after the red rep because you are obviously trolling here......