Prime Liston vs Prime Tyson

[juggernaut666]

Lol, Tyson was not only the only one ever to KO Pinklon, but the only one to ever KD him. Liston was KO'd 3 times and KD'd multiple times in his career, even feather fisted Ali knocked Liston twice.

Prime Liston has absolutely no chance against prime Tyson. Tyson hit harder, with both hands, was faster, had better defense and so on.

you are arguing with a fool who claims Liston was FASTER than Tyson.....do the math...lol

[juggernaut666]

Tyson by decision is the least likely outcome imo. His stamina was terrible. Liston had great stamina. He proved he could go 12 rounds without tiring.

Actually for once Corso is right...at least by the outcome winner. You think Liston who struggled with 195 pounders like Machen who also man handled Liston many of the rounds when they fought is favored over Tyson? Then again you also failed to realize why Kevin McBride is foolish to bring into the argument because that's what you are when you canive the comparison..You don't even know listons own prime or what prime actually means yet you started a thread about the match up go figure?..


George Johnson: 212 pounds.
Chuck Wepner 228 pounds.
Henry Clark:215
Elmer Rush: 214

If you are using these guys that's means you are also using the Ali/Liston fights correct? Which shows how weak listons chin really was when Ali the non power puncher k.od him!

[Ray Corso]

"Tyson fought nothing but bums.
Show me a credible name that Tyson knocked out in the 80's?
There aren't any, they were ALL bums".


Jesse Ferguson
James Tillis
Trevor Berbick
James Smith
Pinklon Thomas
Tony Tucker
Ty Biggs
T. Tubbs
Mike Spinks
Frank Bruno
Carl Williams
..........all in the 80's and no bums here!
Just so you know;
a bum==someone who continuously won't fight up to their skill level!
A bum has NOTHING to do with talent or skills it has to do with "willingness" and trying!

Ray

[abdelfadeel]

Actually for once Corso is right...at least by the outcome winner. You think Liston who struggled with 195 pounders like Machen who also man handled Liston many of the rounds when they fought is favored over Tyson?

You think a man who struggled with bonehugger should be favored over Liston.

Then again you also failed to realize why Kevin McBride is foolish to bring into the argument because that's what you are when you canive the comparison..

Enlighten me.

You don't even know listons own prime or what prime actually means yet you started a thread about the match up go figure?..

You dispute that Liston's prime was between 1959-1962? When was Liston's prime? Then.

George Johnson: 212 pounds.
Chuck Wepner 228 pounds.
Henry Clark:215
Elmer Rush: 214

If you are using these guys that's means you are also using the Ali/Liston fights correct?

No I'm using these guys because you tried lying that The heaviest man Liston fought was 211 pounds.

Which shows how weak listons chin really was when Ali the non power puncher k.od him!

That was clearly a fix. A blind man could see that. Liston's chin was worlds better than that of Tyson's. Liston wasn't knocked out at his peak by an absolute bum who lost so many times, his chin doesn't even show up on boxrec.

[Kiwi Nick]

"Tyson fought nothing but bums.
Show me a credible name that Tyson knocked out in the 80's?
There aren't any, they were ALL bums".


Jesse Ferguson
James Tillis
Trevor Berbick
James Smith
Pinklon Thomas
Tony Tucker
Ty Biggs
T. Tubbs
Mike Spinks
Frank Bruno
Carl Williams


Ray

Like I said, they were ALL bums.
I don't see any Floyd Pattersons in there, the first man to win the World Heavyweight crown twice.
When did Tyson ever fight anyone of that calibre in the 1980's?
He didn't.
Liston creamed him twice.
Pinklon Thomas? OMG, Tyrell Biggs??? that guy was appalling.
Have you seen what Lennox did to some of those fighters when he was coming up through the ranks?
You have accurately collated a list of Bums.
Berbick? Really?
Spinks?
He was a poor light heavyweight never mind a heavy weight.
If you really rate those fighters then you have a very low bar setting for quality.
Tyson was a piranha among sp****.
As soon as one of the sp**** showed some courage he was blasted outta there and the myth was debunked.
Buster Douglas was a bum.
One good fight against a tiring bully and back to bumsville to fight Holyfield and limply hand his title over....
Tyson was over hyped and the fools out there were conned by it.
He cleaned up a weak division of very poor 'talent'.
Yes you can only fight whats in front of you but when it's all poor you end up with situations like John Ruiz winning a world title.

[juggernaut666]

You think a man who struggled with bonehugger should be favored over Liston.

Enlighten me.


You dispute that Liston's prime was between 1959-1962? When was Liston's prime? Then.


No I'm using these guys because you tried lying that The heaviest man Liston fought was 211 pounds.


That was clearly a fix. A blind man could see that. Liston's chin was worlds better than that of Tyson's. Liston wasn't knocked out at his peak by an absolute bum who lost so many times, his chin doesn't even show up on boxrec.

The 6'5 Bonehugger would be a far more threat than little Machan wouldn't he?

Listons prime was approximately 1955/1960 ,why make a thread without knowing what you are talking about? Tell me how much faster Liston was than Tyson ,im sure even the gang here got a chuckle out of that quote you posted

I used the heaviest man with outside Williams showing how much SMALLER his opposition was on average 200 pounds to what an ACTUAL heavyweight would be today like maybe a 215 plus Tyson who fought guys bigger than Liston? why dont you tally up all the guys that lost their fight prior fight to Liston while you are at it ? You even compared Tysons second year fights when Liston actually LOST and got his jaw BROKE by a 175 pounder ready to retire a few years later in his ?

[abdelfadeel]

The 6'5 Bonehugger would be a far more threat than little Machan wouldn't he?

Styles make fights so no he wouldn't.

Listons prime was approximately 1955/1960 ,why make a thread without knowing what you are talking about?

1955?

Tell me how much faster Liston was than Tyson ,im sure even the gang here got a chuckle out of that quote you posted

I used the heaviest man with outside Williams showing how much SMALLER his opposition was on average 200 pounds to what an ACTUAL heavyweight would be today like maybe a 215 plus Tyson who fought guys bigger than Liston?

Nope, you said the biggest man who Liston fought besides Williams was 211 pounds. Now can you admit your lying?

why dont you tally up all the guys that lost their fight prior fight to Liston while you are at it ?

You even compared Tysons second year fights when Liston actually LOST and got his jaw BROKE by a 175 pounder ready to retire a few years later in his ?

your forgetting that Liston was green in that fight and only got his jaw broken because he was caught laughing. Also, you didn't mention, did Liston quit or did he fight through it?

[abdelfadeel]

Like I said, they were ALL bums.
I don't see any Floyd Pattersons in there, the first man to win the World Heavyweight crown twice.
When did Tyson ever fight anyone of that calibre in the 1980's?
He didn't.
Liston creamed him twice.
Pinklon Thomas? OMG, Tyrell Biggs??? that guy was appalling.
Have you seen what Lennox did to some of those fighters when he was coming up through the ranks?
You have accurately collated a list of Bums.
Berbick? Really?
Spinks?
He was a poor light heavyweight never mind a heavy weight.
If you really rate those fighters then you have a very low bar setting for quality.
Tyson was a piranha among sp****.
As soon as one of the sp**** showed some courage he was blasted outta there and the myth was debunked.
Buster Douglas was a bum.
One good fight against a tiring bully and back to bumsville to fight Holyfield and limply hand his title over....
Tyson was over hyped and the fools out there were conned by it.
He cleaned up a weak division of very poor 'talent'.
Yes you can only fight whats in front of you but when it's all poor you end up with situations like John Ruiz winning a world title.

Tokyo Douglas is a myth. Facts are that Tyson was prime when he lost to a bum who himself wasn't even 100%.

[Ray Corso]

reference to Mike Spinks.."He was a poor light heavyweight never mind a heavy weight".

Well this pretty much explains who you are, Spinks was a "poor" lightheavy?

Bye sonny have a great time wasting peoples time!
This place really needs to cull some of these "experts"!

Ray

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Actually for once Corso is right...at least by the outcome winner. You think Liston who struggled with 195 pounders like Machen who also man handled Liston many of the rounds when they fought is favored over Tyson? Then again you also failed to realize why Kevin McBride is foolish to bring into the argument because that's what you are when you canive the comparison..You don't even know listons own prime or what prime actually means yet you started a thread about the match up go figure?..


George Johnson: 212 pounds.
Chuck Wepner 228 pounds.
Henry Clark:215
Elmer Rush: 214

If you are using these guys that's means you are also using the Ali/Liston fights correct? Which shows how weak listons chin really was when Ali the non power puncher k.od him!

Lol what is your obsession with weight? I don't care about it in relation to the thread I'm just talking about in general. Every time something is about an 80s heavyweight vs a fighter from an earlier era, you always bring up weight. At Heavyweight weight doesn't matter that much. If it did Louis would have been knocked out by Carnera! No hate just wanted to know the reasoning.