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  • Originally posted by dreamroom View Post

    When Dempsey and Tunney first fought Tunney had 81 fights to Dempsey's 75. And Tunney was only 2 years younger, so there wasn't that much of a difference in that area. Also, Dempsey didn't take as much punishment as you may think. He had very good movement, slipping, rolling under punches, bending at the waist and good counter punching on the inside. He wasn't easy to hit. Tunney had pretty good footwork, but it was conventional, and pretty basic. He was pretty quick however and didn't make many mistakes. So, I didn't say Lewis's footwork was masterful, but he worked behind his jab very well, as seen in his Tyson fights. Long story short, as good as Dempsey was, he was vulnerable to a well-executed 1-2, and with a reach deficit of over a foot, and Lewis's ability to fight moving back is just too much to overcome, in my opinion. Of course, as they say, my opinion and $2 will get you a cup of coffee. That said, Dempsey could've beat Lewis as well.
    I can't find a cup of coffee for two bucks anymore. Lol

    In regards to the number of fights: I realize Dempsey was a better boxer than most realize, but I suspect he still got hit more often than the defensive master Tunney.

    But of course Tunney had many tough fights himself; at the risk of being redundant, sorry, but I feel ****ers have a shorter peak period, and get old faster.

    Dempsey lived a more brtual early life than most. He once stated, when young, while barnstorming, he felt his hands grow stronger as he would ride the rails, grabbing on to the side of box cars. The cold would keep him awake but his hands would frostbite, knowing full well if he let go he would die.

    Also we really don't know how many fights Dempsey actually had leading up to 1916. I think it was Nat Fleischer (I think) who said, when trying to assemble Dempsey's record he ran across newspaper results that had 'Jack Dempsey' fighting in multiple fights, miles apart on the same night. When Fleischer asked him about the confusion, Dempsey supposedly replied 'Oh, that was probably Bernie.' When Fleischer asked which one was him, Dempsey had no clue.*

    Truth be told I think these match ups are silly arguments, men just keep getting bigger and a fighter (or any athlete) should be judged against his own time.

    Spanning decades creates unrealistic scenarios. How big would Dempsey have grown had he been born on 1988? Would Lewis even have had a chance to become a boxer in 1919? He certainly would never have been as big. Can Bronco Nagurski gain 800 yards in the NFL today? Of course not. But Bronco was a great football player.

    *You probably know all three brothers fought under the name 'Jack Dempsey' at one time or another.

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    • Originally posted by dreamroom View Post

      When Dempsey and Tunney first fought Tunney had 81 fights to Dempsey's 75. And Tunney was only 2 years younger, so there wasn't that much of a difference in that area. Also, Dempsey didn't take as much punishment as you may think. He had very good movement, slipping, rolling under punches, bending at the waist and good counter punching on the inside. He wasn't easy to hit. Tunney had pretty good footwork, but it was conventional, and pretty basic. He was pretty quick however and didn't make many mistakes. So, I didn't say Lewis's footwork was masterful, but he worked behind his jab very well, as seen in his Tyson fights. Long story short, as good as Dempsey was, he was vulnerable to a well-executed 1-2, and with a reach deficit of over a foot, and Lewis's ability to fight moving back is just too much to overcome, in my opinion. Of course, as they say, my opinion and $2 will get you a cup of coffee. That said, Dempsey could've beat Lewis as well.
      Yea the fiction jack would beat lennox but no vid of him exist so he doesn't matter you crazy person who likes to play make bealive like the rest of these crazy idiots

      the real jack on vid would be destroyed and no he never would win
      Last edited by Ascended; 08-09-2022, 06:09 PM.

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      • Originally posted by moneytheman View Post

        Yea the fiction jack would beat lennox but no vid of him exist so he doesn't matter you crazy person who likes to play make bealive like the rest of these crazy idiots

        the real jack on vid would be destroyed and no he never would win
        - - U got a vid of U on exlax movements vs wifout exlax movements?

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        • Originally posted by moneytheman View Post

          Yea the fiction jack would beat lennox but no vid of him exist so he doesn't matter you crazy person who likes to play make bealive like the rest of these crazy idiots

          the real jack on vid would be destroyed and no he never would win
          "the real jack on vid"

          Consider writing in your native language. We'll take on the responsibility of getting it translated.

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          • Originally posted by moneytheman View Post

            Yea the fiction jack would beat lennox but no vid of him exist so he doesn't matter you crazy person who likes to play make bealive like the rest of these crazy idiots

            the real jack on vid would be destroyed and no he never would win
            These threads are for fun. If you feel posting in them is for "crazy idiots", perhaps you shouldn't do it. Also, what is your first language? Just curious.

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            • Originally posted by dreamroom View Post

              These threads are for fun. If you feel posting in them is for "crazy idiots", perhaps you shouldn't do it. Also, what is your first language? Just curious.
              Its not a perhaps cause im not crazy you weird person and I didnt imply any feeling of not posting i said they are crazy idiots and I post to spread the truth and I dont find it fun saying ****** stuff

              and im not answering any dumb questions you seen other troll followers say ask somebody else just curious
              Last edited by Ascended; 08-10-2022, 02:18 PM.

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              • Originally posted by moneytheman View Post

                Its not a perhaps cause im not crazy you weird person and I didnt imply any feeling of not posting i said they are crazy idiots and I post to spread the truth and I dont find it fun saying ****** stuff

                and im not answering any dumb questions you seen other troll followers say ask somebody else just curious
                Your first language is "Moron" of the ******crazyidiot line stemming off of proto sanskrit line... It is spoken by Morons everywhere!!
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                • Originally posted by dreamroom View Post

                  These threads are for fun. If you feel posting in them is for "crazy idiots", perhaps you shouldn't do it. Also, what is your first language? Just curious.
                  Money the man actually is the Claw. He works for the Chaos organization against Control and Maxwell Smart. Here is a video with the Moneytheman "Craw."

                  https://********/ftgAG3Vnif8
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                  • Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

                    Money the man actually is the Claw. He works for the Chaos organization against Control and Maxwell Smart. Here is a video with the Moneytheman "Craw."

                    https://********/ftgAG3Vnif8
                    Haven't seen that in a while! lol
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