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  • dreamroom
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    #101
    Originally posted by abdelfadeel
    Lewis was a big guy who could box and punch when he had to. He had an effective jab a monster right hand and the fundamentals down to a tee, but his biggest weakness was his chin - which if hit correctly would be like a power button - just switch him off.

    Dempsey was a shorter guy who was an animal on the inside, he was quick, strong and very tough. His obvious weakness would be he can be out-boxed but only by someone with fast feet (and when past prime), that is what Tunney used to beat him, Lewis who never had to use great footwork because of his size, wouldn't be able to keep the primeval force of Dempsey away from him.

    I think Lewis uses the jab early to keep Dempsey away but Jack has a fire inside of him, he wades inside, moving his head wildly and going to Lewis's body. Dempsey risks coming in quickly because Lewis was good at timing and could catch him with a right which could spell trouble for Jack. After 12 hard rounds the bigger man Lennox Lewis, who has been forced to fight a furious pace by Dempsey is beginning to tire - which is a downfall for all big men. By round 13 Dempsey, who is behind on all scorecards (due to being outboxed and tagged trying to rush inside) ups the pressure looking for a knockout. In round 14 he gets it, a crisp left hook on a tired Lennox Lewis. In a 12 round fight Lennox would have won a unanimous decision.

    KO14 Jack Dempsey
    First, Lewis did not have a weak chin. The only time he was knocked out was a brutal overhand right, right on the button, that he never saw coming. The McCall TKO was the fastest standing 8 I ever saw. So, 2 of 44 fights, not a weak chin.
    Second, Dempsey was open for Tunney's 1-2 all day long. Both fights he landed it over and over. Lewis made a living on his 1-2. If Dempsey couldn't avoid Tunney's, I doubt he could dodge Lewis's 84" reach.
    Lewis by KO within 4.

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      #102
      Originally posted by dreamroom

      First, Lewis did not have a weak chin. The only time he was knocked out was a brutal overhand right, right on the button, that he never saw coming. The McCall TKO was the fastest standing 8 I ever saw. So, 2 of 44 fights, not a weak chin.
      Second, Dempsey was open for Tunney's 1-2 all day long. Both fights he landed it over and over. Lewis made a living on his 1-2. If Dempsey couldn't avoid Tunney's, I doubt he could dodge Lewis's 84" reach.
      Lewis by KO within 4.
      As the excuse always goes . . . That was a ring worn Dempsey, uninspired. Does Tunney keep a 1920 Dempsey off him? Maybe, maybe not.

      Great ****ers always have a shorter life span (peak period) than great boxers.

      Beside, you actually feel Lewis had a greater mastery over the martial art of boxing than Tunney? Not saying Lewis wasn't masterful, but better than Tunney?

      Never thought Lewis' footwork masterful! Tunney yes!

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        #103
        Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

        Lol. He'd have an infinitely better chance of beating Tiger Woods in a round of golf. A sport where you get to take your best lucky shot and can expect no incoming lucky shots back at you in return. Fighting is a unique expertise because proficiency in is threatens people and makes them say unrealistic things.
        . Yup. And to be fair he knew it... He was just looking for validation from me lol. Big guy... Great shape, very nice as well. Played for the Warriors when they were so bad that Mrs mrcalsky and local Girl Scout troup would scrimmage them and win!

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          #104
          Originally posted by dreamroom

          First, Lewis did not have a weak chin. The only time he was knocked out was a brutal overhand right, right on the button, that he never saw coming. The McCall TKO was the fastest standing 8 I ever saw. So, 2 of 44 fights, not a weak chin.
          Second, Dempsey was open for Tunney's 1-2 all day long. Both fights he landed it over and over. Lewis made a living on his 1-2. If Dempsey couldn't avoid Tunney's, I doubt he could dodge Lewis's 84" reach.
          Lewis by KO within 4.
          I don't know the post you are responding to, and am not accusing the poster BUT lewis has always had a dedicated group of haters... They all remember his two losses, BUT forget him taking the nbest Vitalie had to offer... bad Chin? Not if you could take Vitalie's shots!

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            #105
            Originally posted by moneytheman

            Old material which doesn't mean anything I said fighting like the eras I named learn how to read crazy idiot and I dont have a time limit i can post it when I want to

            Why won't you crazy people prove me wrong with video when I asked mutiple people why won't you idiots prove me wrong its not hard to look stuff on tube so why ohh cause no vid exist
            You write worse than a half wit reads... trust me. You have time to shiat up the boards but not to provide proof for ONE ****** thing you ever posted. Jab is still waiting for that proof half wit... No quarter wit... Excuse me.

            Nobody here wants to prove anything to you child... Your a forum joke and we are laughing at yu, not with you.

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              #106
              Originally posted by dreamroom

              First, Lewis did not have a weak chin. The only time he was knocked out was a brutal overhand right, right on the button, that he never saw coming. The McCall TKO was the fastest standing 8 I ever saw. So, 2 of 44 fights, not a weak chin.
              Second, Dempsey was open for Tunney's 1-2 all day long. Both fights he landed it over and over. Lewis made a living on his 1-2. If Dempsey couldn't avoid Tunney's, I doubt he could dodge Lewis's 84" reach.
              Lewis by KO within 4.
              Len would destroy him 1st round its obvious and only dumb trolls say he was weak when he fought the most hitters and never went down how is that weak these people are crazy which is why I talk to them like I do

              A person who was weak but they lie acting like he wasnt was george stun mutiple times by weak punchers like jim len never would be stun by a dude that weak

              How about ron 1st round hard right has george in danger and all over the place

              Len never was in danger that early from a hard shot so yea these people are crazy trolls and liars
              Last edited by Ascended; 08-08-2022, 05:48 PM.

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                #107
                Originally posted by billeau2

                You write worse than a half wit reads... trust me. You have time to shiat up the boards but not to provide proof for ONE ****** thing you ever posted. Jab is still waiting for that proof half wit... No quarter wit... Excuse me.

                Nobody here wants to prove anything to you child... Your a forum joke and we are laughing at yu, not with you.
                You're going to be so embrassed when you find he is Chinese and using a broken translator.

                He's trying so hard to be understood, be patience.

                You're going to have apologize.

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

                  You're going to be so embrassed when you find he is Chinese and using a broken translator.

                  He's trying so hard to be understood, be patience.

                  You're going to have apologize.

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                  • dreamroom
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

                    As the excuse always goes . . . That was a ring worn Dempsey, uninspired. Does Tunney keep a 1920 Dempsey off him? Maybe, maybe not.

                    Great ****ers always have a shorter life span (peak period) than great boxers.

                    Beside, you actually feel Lewis had a greater mastery over the martial art of boxing than Tunney? Not saying Lewis wasn't masterful, but better than Tunney?

                    Never thought Lewis' footwork masterful! Tunney yes!
                    When Dempsey and Tunney first fought Tunney had 81 fights to Dempsey's 75. And Tunney was only 2 years younger, so there wasn't that much of a difference in that area. Also, Dempsey didn't take as much punishment as you may think. He had very good movement, slipping, rolling under punches, bending at the waist and good counter punching on the inside. He wasn't easy to hit. Tunney had pretty good footwork, but it was conventional, and pretty basic. He was pretty quick however and didn't make many mistakes. So, I didn't say Lewis's footwork was masterful, but he worked behind his jab very well, as seen in his Tyson fights. Long story short, as good as Dempsey was, he was vulnerable to a well-executed 1-2, and with a reach deficit of over a foot, and Lewis's ability to fight moving back is just too much to overcome, in my opinion. Of course, as they say, my opinion and $2 will get you a cup of coffee. That said, Dempsey could've beat Lewis as well.

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by dreamroom

                      When Dempsey and Tunney first fought Tunney had 81 fights to Dempsey's 75. And Tunney was only 2 years younger, so there wasn't that much of a difference in that area. Also, Dempsey didn't take as much punishment as you may think. He had very good movement, slipping, rolling under punches, bending at the waist and good counter punching on the inside. He wasn't easy to hit. Tunney had pretty good footwork, but it was conventional, and pretty basic. He was pretty quick however and didn't make many mistakes. So, I didn't say Lewis's footwork was masterful, but he worked behind his jab very well, as seen in his Tyson fights. Long story short, as good as Dempsey was, he was vulnerable to a well-executed 1-2, and with a reach deficit of over a foot, and Lewis's ability to fight moving back is just too much to overcome, in my opinion. Of course, as they say, my opinion and $2 will get you a cup of coffee. That said, Dempsey could've beat Lewis as well.
                      Tunney stated it wasn't hard to hit Dempsey but his chin was well covered and landing on it was not easy.

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