Jack Dempsey vs Lennox Lewis

[billeau2]

I dont have to respond when you crazy idiots say this stuff yet cant prove me wrong by video I can respond or not I could have not responded never to any of you people I have common respect not to ignore all of you but I dont have to answer ****** questions when im right

Can't prove you wrong indeed... To prove someone wrong there has to be a potential they might be right... Your nonsense is absurd and you cannot mix logic with that which is absurd...Now go take the hiding lefty promised you

[Ascended]

I'm not telling you anything.
Foreman was a tremendously strong man who could hit like very few men can,he could also box and take a shot,and thats why he was champ,and hulks like Micheal Grant were not
Valuev was beaten because he wasnt any good in the first place,just an aberration that came along at a fortunate time,but without his size he would not have been champion in the first place, and neither would Willard have been. I never mentioned musculature
and men being chiseled, if thats your particular hobby horse you need to argue it with someone else not me.
Usyk beat AJ because he is a very skilled technical fighter with marvellous reflexes and footwork and Joshua is not.
Usyk stops AJ in the rematch imo , unless AJ can get him out of there in the first 5 or 6 rounds by bum rushing him and turning it into a dog fight, ******** that he gets to him before he blows up himself.
Since you seem to be ascribing a position to me that I do not ,and have never held let me make myself clear.I believe man of 6feet three and 220lbs is big enough to beat any man IF he is good enough. I do not believe a man of 175lbs is likely to beat man of 220lbs if their respective abilities are equal

Isnt the topic a lhw which would be destroyed vs lennox its a mismatch jack was way to outdated even if he wasnt he was a lhw like why would anybody believe he would win when he wouldnt land much

[Ascended]

Can't prove you wrong indeed... To prove someone wrong there has to be a potential they might be right... Your nonsense is absurd and you cannot mix logic with that which is absurd...Now go take the hiding lefty promised you

No you crazy idiot to prove me wrong is to show video or fighters figting as good as other eras this topic is era is 20s vs a 90s fighter where is the fighter jack fought who was as good as a len or a rah or wlad it was none you idiot

Where was the same fighters in louis era who he fought who fought as advanced as a len rah wlad oh it is none

Im right cause video proves I am you crazy idiot so no it is no potential anything none of you crazy idiots can prove me wrong i asked you crazy idiots mutiple times since last year on here and on esb you refuse to prove me wrong cause video doesn't exist you crazy people and you know it doesn't

Only a troll would say jack would beat len when he never would land its easy to see he wouldnt by watching both so your the idiot you crazy person

[Ivich]

Dempsey was not as compact with his punches as Marciano who was a better refined fighter than Demspey and stronger puncher. The only thing he had was reach and height over Marciano. Which could be one advantage with a 6'5 guy with an 84 inch reach ,however I don't think it helps him with a guyu like Lewis who could fight on the inside or outside compared to Marciano who would have a SLIGHT punchers chance of catching Wlad who could have a bad night and doesn't like pressure fighters. Both Marciano and Demspey would be severly out matched in any switching of opponents.

Dempsey threw short hooks that could ko anyone, he was faster than Marciano, a good deal more accurate ,and had far superior balance. Dempsey never fell over after missing a punch by feet, Marciano did several times.

[Ivich]

The size disparity is not as great as you're making it out to be. Dempsey was a natural, albeit small heavyweight.

The weight of Dempsey only reflects the era he fought in, different training methods, and the adaption to what was essentially different sport. Dempsey at 190 lb was dry. Skin and bone. Fighters of that era made it a rule to come in as light as possible, while still being able to perform on an optimal level. If Dempsey were born today, he'd eat more, he'd lift weights, he'd fill out that frame of his because modern slow-paced, 12 round boxing with 10 oz gloves favors just that. The reason big guys didn't profilerate in early eras was due to more rounds, lighter gloves and a faster pace - all of which favoured smaller boxers and evened out the playing field.

A guy like Povetkin is not "bigger than Dempsey"...the weight he has on him is artificial. The difference in actual frame between them is inconsequential Switch out their training regimes, make Povetkin focus entirely on roadwork, sparring and conditioning - keeping his weight down - and he'd come in at 200 lb. In contrast, juice Dempsey up and make him lift weights, and he'd probably be 220 easily.

But we are not matching a hypothetical Dempsey we are matching the man as he actually was.Marciano fans do this all the time .Rocky today would be 220lbs etc etc.BS if he was he would be even slower than he was and have less stamina.NB Dempsey only had ONE fight scheduled for more than15rds, the2nd Morris one.

[Ascended]

But we are not matching a hypothetical Dempsey we are matching the man as he actually was.Marciano fans do this all the time .Rocky today would be 220lbs etc etc.BS if he was he would be even slower than he was and have less stamina.NB Dempsey only had ONE fight scheduled for more than15rds, the2nd Morris one.

See how they like to do that weird stuff change how fighters would be that shows they know the way they were would be trash in 70s-now

Rock and both Jack would be destroyed by these dudes

[billeau2]

No you crazy idiot to prove me wrong is to show video or fighters figting as good as other eras this topic is era is 20s vs a 90s fighter where is the fighter jack fought who was as good as a len or a rah or wlad it was none you idiot

Where was the same fighters in louis era who he fought who fought as advanced as a len rah wlad oh it is none

Im right cause video proves I am you crazy idiot so no it is no potential anything none of you crazy idiots can prove me wrong i asked you crazy idiots mutiple times since last year on here and on esb you refuse to prove me wrong cause video doesn't exist you crazy people and you know it doesn't

Only a troll would say jack would beat len when he never would land its easy to see he wouldnt by watching both so your the idiot you crazy person

Youve been shown lots of material and never shown any promised material yourself... Remember now?

[billeau2]

I'm not telling you anything.
Foreman was a tremendously strong man who could hit like very few men can,he could also box and take a shot,and thats why he was champ,and hulks like Micheal Grant were not
Valuev was beaten because he wasnt any good in the first place,just an aberration that came along at a fortunate time,but without his size he would not have been champion in the first place, and neither would Willard have been. I never mentioned musculature
and men being chiseled, if thats your particular hobby horse you need to argue it with someone else not me.
Usyk beat AJ because he is a very skilled technical fighter with marvellous reflexes and footwork and Joshua is not.
Usyk stops AJ in the rematch imo , unless AJ can get him out of there in the first 5 or 6 rounds by bum rushing him and turning it into a dog fight, ******** that he gets to him before he blows up himself.
Since you seem to be ascribing a position to me that I do not ,and have never held let me make myself clear.I believe man of 6feet three and 220lbs is big enough to beat any man IF he is good enough. I do not believe a man of 175lbs is likely to beat man of 220lbs if their respective abilities are equal

I agree... There is a certain size for a perfect heavyweight, some Platonic archetype where all the forces come to bare...just so. A weight, a height, even a reach... though more reach, unlike more weight, is more of an absolute advantage. At this weight a man has perfect balance and symetry. I am willing to even go under 220, but I do think it has to be over 200 pounds.

I will say this also: I was privaleged when teaching at an MMA center, to have front row seats to one of the first sanctioned MMA events in San Francisco. I was very suprised at what a 210 and Plus pound individual looks like.,. much smaller than I imagined, at least from a ring side perspective! I remembered years back seeing Shannon Briggs and he looked, I thought at the time, huge lol. This was in his younger days! And finally... A common statement and one made to me by a former NBA player who was our basketball coach (i was a High school teacher...its ok not for grammar! lol) knew my martial arts pedigree and told me he saw Mike Tyson in a bar and swore he could take him! lol.

[Willow The Wisp]

The size disparity is not as great as you're making it out to be. Dempsey was a natural, albeit small heavyweight.

The weight of Dempsey only reflects the era he fought in, different training methods, and the adaption to what was essentially different sport. Dempsey at 190 lb was dry. Skin and bone. Fighters of that era made it a rule to come in as light as possible, while still being able to perform on an optimal level. If Dempsey were born today, he'd eat more, he'd lift weights, he'd fill out that frame of his because modern slow-paced, 12 round boxing with 10 oz gloves favors just that. The reason big guys didn't profilerate in early eras was due to more rounds, lighter gloves and a faster pace - all of which favoured smaller boxers and evened out the playing field.

A guy like Povetkin is not "bigger than Dempsey"...the weight he has on him is artificial. The difference in actual frame between them is inconsequential Switch out their training regimes, make Povetkin focus entirely on roadwork, sparring and conditioning - keeping his weight down - and he'd come in at 200 lb. In contrast, juice Dempsey up and make him lift weights, and he'd probably be 220 easily.

This is true. Quite a number of posts on this 6 year old thread are quite frankly, not true at all.

[Willow The Wisp]

I agree... There is a certain size for a perfect heavyweight, some Platonic archetype where all the forces come to bare...just so. A weight, a height, even a reach... though more reach, unlike more weight, is more of an absolute advantage. At this weight a man has perfect balance and symetry. I am willing to even go under 220, but I do think it has to be over 200 pounds.

I will say this also: I was privaleged when teaching at an MMA center, to have front row seats to one of the first sanctioned MMA events in San Francisco. I was very suprised at what a 210 and Plus pound individual looks like.,. much smaller than I imagined, at least from a ring side perspective! I remembered years back seeing Shannon Briggs and he looked, I thought at the time, huge lol. This was in his younger days! And finally... A common statement and one made to me by a former NBA player who was our basketball coach (i was a High school teacher...its ok not for grammar! lol) knew my martial arts pedigree and told me he saw Mike Tyson in a bar and swore he could take him! lol.

Lol. He'd have an infinitely better chance of beating Tiger Woods in a round of golf. A sport where you get to take your best lucky shot and can expect no incoming lucky shots back at you in return. Fighting is a unique expertise because proficiency in is threatens people and makes them say unrealistic things.