Muhammad Ali and the Big Fighters

[sonnyboyx2]

He's an Olympic gold medalist who defeated everyone he ever faced in amateur or professional.

Despite being such a big man he still was incredibly tactically sound and had very fast hands. Aside from Moorer and maybe Byrd he beat every notable 90s heavyweight.

Tua, Holyfield (x2), Mercer, Morrison, Tyson, Briggs, Golota, Ruddock, Rahman, McCall, Grant ,Bruno and he even beat Vitali Klitschko at an old age who turned out to be an ATG heavyweight.



Not sure why you think a fighter standing 5'11 at sub 200 pounds Frazier is of relevance here? He simply is not....Ali "NEVER" beat a prime Frazier either....Ali never beat really any prime fighter in his own prime yet you play the "ELITE" card here? The simple truth ,discarding all nonsense and as stated head to head Lewis would look like a nightmare compared to ANYONE Ali ever fought. In all probability had Mathis had been a power puncher , Frazier gets k.od there too, he never fought anyone but Foreman who would be the only guy that resembled HW's of Lewis era and here you are trying to sell me a elite 6'5 230 /250 pounder pales in comparison ?



I bring up Ali since you are playing the who did he fight card.......Well the same in comparison then can be directed at Ali.....Is ali not a great for HIS time? You seem to be oblivious just to how dangerous and talented some of those 90's HW fighters actually were. Anyone can dissect anyone who they fought and find holes...it doesn't take genius...howver one cannot deny the size/skill and trainer of Steward and say he is overatted and be sane.



Simply put at the end of the day the popularity game does not win,only to those who hold "All time great" as a skill.....it is not......it is a lable.





"i have see Joe Frazier fight Live` against Joe Bugner. All you have seen, in which to make up your opinion. Is watching on "Cold-Flat -Screen TV"... "

Emmanuel Stewart claimed, "Wladimir was the greatest Heavyweight of all time" - Yet Stewart only ever trained two heavyweights in his life. I much prefer to go by what Lou Duva said. Duva trained Holyfield, Tucker, Lewis, Biggs, Moorer, Golota and David Tua. Duva said, "Lewis is just another Carnera" ..

Why am i not surprised, you could not name me a single fighter Lewis fought, "Who was at the top of his game" - Vitali Klitschko had Lewis in dire straits and was unfortunate not to come away with victory.

Muhammad Ali fought a "who's who of greats" that were at the top of their game and in their prime. You also fail to mention Ali's prime "Was taken from him" during his exile years.

Lewis fought a bunch of exposed bums, he was stripped of every version of the title. For refusing to fight the top Contenders. Yet you repeatedly ignore that fact. You talk up Michael Grant, Rahman & McCall. When the reality is they were bums. Watch Rahman vs Maskaev (1) Grant vs Golota & McCall vs Douglas were each one of them, was brutaly exposed as journeymen. Lewis does not have a single great victory to his credit. His win over Holyfield is very debatable. His win over Tyson was a "Farce" with Tyson addicted to anti-depressants, alcohol, ******* & cannabis. Yet here is you claiming Lewis beats Muhammad Ali.

George Foreman said, "Lewis does not have a jab, He doesn't know how to throw the jab".. Yet here is you claiming him to be "tactically sound"..

You claim he defeated every fighter he fought amateur and professional. But it's the fighters he avoided, not the exposed bums he fought. Your claiming he beat every noticable 90s heavyweight.. Yet he avoided them all in the 90s.

Lewis was awarded the WBC title in 1992. Other fighters to hold versions of the world title during the 90s. Bowe, Holyfield, Holmes (WBO) Hide, Tyson, Seldon, Bruno, Moorer, Foreman... Lewis was stripped for refusing to fight Byrd & Ruiz. Lewis never fought any of the 90s champions in the 90s. He also never fought Sanders or Wladimir between 01-03..

Bottom line is Lewis ducked everyone.

[LacedUp]

This crap means a lot from the clown who claims he could have beaten Jack Dempsey.

Well, he does punch as hard as George Foreman, remember.

[juggernaut666]

Emmanuel Stewart claimed, "Wladimir was the greatest Heavyweight of all time" - Yet Stewart only ever trained two heavyweights in his life. I much prefer to go by what Lou Duva said. Duva trained Holyfield, Tucker, Lewis, Biggs, Moorer, Golota and David Tua. Duva said, "Lewis is just another Carnera" ..

Why am i not surprised, you could not name me a single fighter Lewis fought, "Who was at the top of his game" - Vitali Klitschko had Lewis in dire straits and was unfortunate not to come away with victory.

Muhammad Ali fought a "who's who of greats" that were at the top of their game and in their prime. You also fail to mention Ali's prime "Was taken from him" during his exile years.

Lewis fought a bunch of exposed bums, he was stripped of every version of the title. For refusing to fight the top Contenders. Yet you repeatedly ignore that fact. You talk up Michael Grant, Rahman & McCall. When the reality is they were bums. Watch Rahman vs Maskaev (1) Grant vs Golota & McCall vs Douglas were each one of them, was brutaly exposed as journeymen. Lewis does not have a single great victory to his credit. His win over Holyfield is very debatable. His win over Tyson was a "Farce" with Tyson addicted to anti-depressants, alcohol, ******* & cannabis. Yet here is you claiming Lewis beats Muhammad Ali.

George Foreman said, "Lewis does not have a jab, He doesn't know how to throw the jab".. Yet here is you claiming him to be "tactically sound"..

You claim he defeated every fighter he fought amateur and professional. But it's the fighters he avoided, not the exposed bums he fought. Your claiming he beat every noticable 90s heavyweight.. Yet he avoided them all in the 90s.

Lewis was awarded the WBC title in 1992. Other fighters to hold versions of the world title during the 90s. Bowe, Holyfield, Holmes (WBO) Hide, Tyson, Seldon, Bruno, Moorer, Foreman... Lewis was stripped for refusing to fight Byrd & Ruiz. Lewis never fought any of the 90s champions in the 90s. He also never fought Sanders or Wladimir between 01-03..

Bottom line is Lewis ducked everyone.

Anyone can just look up his record and see for themselves who he didnt avoid . All your points have been proved wrong and dismissed daily on here ,mostly on the Lewis career re examined thread ,so i'll cut it short right there.

Steward never in his life called Wlad the greatest HW ever and Foreman is on video saying Lewis was the greatest , you are simply making things up .Steward was to attached to old school mind set to do so even if it were true .You only use what trainers say when it FITS your argument and neglect the personal stigmatas with them this is in REALITY why Lewis CRUSHED Golota.....


''You'll need this to protect your chin,'' Duva said.

Lewis gave the helmet back, and Duva hit him with another shot.

''We'll use it to protect from those rabbit punches,'' Duva said.

Duva said that while much has been made of Golota's disqualifications in his last two fights for low blows against Rid**** Bowe, nothing is made of Lewis's hitting his opponents behind the head.

Later, when Lewis was at the podium, Duva called in a knight dressed in full body armor and told Lewis that was what he would need to survive against Golota.

After Lewis told Golota he had awakened a sleeping lion in his den, Duva sprang from his seat, reached into his pocket, pulled out a wad of cash and flung a few bills at Golota. ''I just lost a bet,'' Duva said. ''He uses that line all the time.''

As Emanuel Steward, Lewis's trainer, pointed out, talk at a news conference has never won a bout. Then he began criticizing Golota.

''Lennox will win the fight,'' Steward said. ''Golota doesn't have the talent and I don't think he has the heart, either. We'll find out Saturday night.''

Lewis (31-1), who weighed in today at 248 pounds, did not seem too disturbed by Lou Duva's antics. He has been around long enough to know the circus-like way in which fights are hyped. The 240-pound Golota (28-2), a native of Warsaw who now lives in Chicago, appeared more perturbed when members of Lewis's entourage called him a dirty, heartless boxer.



Bottom line is you dont want to back track on the years of Lewis ridicule and admit you were wrong , no such knowledgeable persons who actually know what they are talking about comes up with some of the stuff you do , so my guess is you ARE making b.s up to be right .....only one fool on here has called Lewis average and thats Corso who doesnt make things up ,hes that idiotic to the point of calling Klitchkos C level fighters while pumping the Tony Gallentos up ! What you both have in common is the claim Ali fought all these greats...well he fought Williams ,Folley and Mildenberger ."WOW'....lost to Frazier ,and Norton ...lucked out wuth a 180 pound fighter and struggled with guys who wouldn't even be ranked post 70's ,yet the two of you lable better fighters average which makes you BOTH fools.



For a bonus heres more proof just how outdated and unattached to modern boxing some legendary trainers actually are....particularly Alis trainer.

Angelo Dundee: “Haye will knock out the younger Klitschko”
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By William Mackay: Former Muhammad Ali trainer Angelo Dundee is really enthusiastic about WBA heavyweight champion David Haye’s chances of becoming the next big star in the heavyweight division. In an article at the Telegraph Sport, the 88-year-olds Dundee says “Haye could spark it up. Haye will knock out the younger Klitschko [Wladimir]. I’m sure he will knock him out, but the older Klitschko brother [Vitali] is harder to fight. He plods with his left hand and he is hard to get to. The younger Klitschko, Haye will have a great chance against. Every fighters his time, and it may just be David Haye’s time right now.”


This of course was coming from a guy assessing the Klitchkos were no different than Ernie Terrell.....

[sonnyboyx2]

Anyone can just look up his record and see for themselves who he didnt avoid . All your points have been proved wrong and dismissed daily on here ,mostly on the Lewis career re examined thread ,so i'll cut it short right there.

Steward never in his life called Wlad the greatest HW ever and Foreman is on video saying Lewis was the greatest , you are simply making things up .Steward was to attached to old school mind set to do so even if it were true .You only use what trainers say when it FITS your argument and neglect the personal stigmatas with them this is in REALITY why Lewis CRUSHED Golota.....


''You'll need this to protect your chin,'' Duva said.

Lewis gave the helmet back, and Duva hit him with another shot.

''We'll use it to protect from those rabbit punches,'' Duva said.

Duva said that while much has been made of Golota's disqualifications in his last two fights for low blows against Rid**** Bowe, nothing is made of Lewis's hitting his opponents behind the head.

Later, when Lewis was at the podium, Duva called in a knight dressed in full body armor and told Lewis that was what he would need to survive against Golota.

After Lewis told Golota he had awakened a sleeping lion in his den, Duva sprang from his seat, reached into his pocket, pulled out a wad of cash and flung a few bills at Golota. ''I just lost a bet,'' Duva said. ''He uses that line all the time.''

As Emanuel Steward, Lewis's trainer, pointed out, talk at a news conference has never won a bout. Then he began criticizing Golota.

''Lennox will win the fight,'' Steward said. ''Golota doesn't have the talent and I don't think he has the heart, either. We'll find out Saturday night.''

Lewis (31-1), who weighed in today at 248 pounds, did not seem too disturbed by Lou Duva's antics. He has been around long enough to know the circus-like way in which fights are hyped. The 240-pound Golota (28-2), a native of Warsaw who now lives in Chicago, appeared more perturbed when members of Lewis's entourage called him a dirty, heartless boxer.



Bottom line is you dont want to back track on the years of Lewis ridicule and admit you were wrong , no such knowledgeable persons who actually know what they are talking about comes up with some of the stuff you do , so my guess is you ARE making b.s up to be right .....only one fool on here has called Lewis average and thats Corso who doesnt make things up ,hes that idiotic to the point of calling Klitchkos C level fighters while pumping the Tony Gallentos up ! What you both have in common is the claim Ali fought all these greats...well he fought Williams ,Folley and Mildenberger ."WOW'....lost to Frazier ,and Norton ...lucked out wuth a 180 pound fighter and struggled with guys who wouldn't even be ranked post 70's ,yet the two of you lable better fighters average which makes you BOTH fools.



For a bonus heres more proof just how outdated and unattached to modern boxing some legendary trainers actually are....particularly Alis trainer.

Angelo Dundee: “Haye will knock out the younger Klitschko”
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By William Mackay: Former Muhammad Ali trainer Angelo Dundee is really enthusiastic about WBA heavyweight champion David Haye’s chances of becoming the next big star in the heavyweight division. In an article at the Telegraph Sport, the 88-year-olds Dundee says “Haye could spark it up. Haye will knock out the younger Klitschko [Wladimir]. I’m sure he will knock him out, but the older Klitschko brother [Vitali] is harder to fight. He plods with his left hand and he is hard to get to. The younger Klitschko, Haye will have a great chance against. Every fighters his time, and it may just be David Haye’s time right now.”


This of course was coming from a guy assessing the Klitchkos were no different than Ernie Terrell.....

You talk a load of rubbish jugger... take a look at this link below of your man Emmanuel Stewart..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4sOvbI_tAw

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/7/1/2254910/video-emanuel-steward-says-wladimir-more-talented-but-lennox-greater

The crap you have wrote about Lewis and Golota is meaningless, it is meaningless and garbage, because Golota was garbage. Golota never defeated a single Top 30 rated fighter in his career. Golota was hammered in the opening round by Lamon Brewster, Mike Tyson(shot) and Lennox Lewis. With the difference being, that Golota had a "Panic Attack" 30 minutes prior to the opening bell against Lewis. Golota was given a sedative injection in his dressing room, which the Lewis camp was informed about. Lewis immediately jumped on Golota at the bell... "Are you dis*****g the above about Golota panic-attack"?


Show me in the Lennox Lewis thread, where i have been crushed?... i won that debate on a daily basis. Chapter after Chapter i won... Last i read on that thread, was you and your cohorts claiming Lionel Butler was the equal of prime Mike Tyson LOL ... you build up every Lewis opponent as a "world beater".. you do so, because you have to do so, because Lewis resume is piss-poor and full of exposed journeymen, bums and hasbeens.

You claiming i want to "Back Track" on what i have correctly claimed about Lewis is funny. I stand by every word my friend

Not you, not anyone, has ever been able to show me to be wrong about the career of Lennox Lewis.. I am going to start a thread in the near future, on Bowe and Lewis 92-93. i found some excellent evidence on the other website. evidence of Don King and his friend Jose Suliman advising Lewis to "wait, drag your feet" as Suliman imposed a 30 day deadline on Bowe to agree to face Lewis. King telling Lewis, "You won't have to face Champion Rid**** Bowe, you can fight my man Tucker instead".... video of Lewis agreeing, video of Lewis saying, "He was not ready for a fighter as good as Bowe"... LOL ... yes it is all there on the other forum. On this forum, i am a lone voice against 6 or 7 Lewis nut huggers. on the other forum, it is 100 knowledgeable boxing guys against 5 or 6 Lewis die-hards.

[juggernaut666]

You talk a load of rubbish jugger... take a look at this link below of your man Emmanuel Stewart..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4sOvbI_tAw

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/7/1/2254910/video-emanuel-steward-says-wladimir-more-talented-but-lennox-greater

The crap you have wrote about Lewis and Golota is meaningless, it is meaningless and garbage, because Golota was garbage. Golota never defeated a single Top 30 rated fighter in his career. Golota was hammered in the opening round by Lamon Brewster, Mike Tyson(shot) and Lennox Lewis. With the difference being, that Golota had a "Panic Attack" 30 minutes prior to the opening bell against Lewis. Golota was given a sedative injection in his dressing room, which the Lewis camp was informed about. Lewis immediately jumped on Golota at the bell... "Are you dis*****g the above about Golota panic-attack"?


Show me in the Lennox Lewis thread, where i have been crushed?... i won that debate on a daily basis. Chapter after Chapter i won... Last i read on that thread, was you and your cohorts claiming Lionel Butler was the equal of prime Mike Tyson LOL ... you build up every Lewis opponent as a "world beater".. you do so, because you have to do so, because Lewis resume is piss-poor and full of exposed journeymen, bums and hasbeens.

You claiming i want to "Back Track" on what i have correctly claimed about Lewis is funny. I stand by every word my friend

Not you, not anyone, has ever been able to show me to be wrong about the career of Lennox Lewis.. I am going to start a thread in the near future, on Bowe and Lewis 92-93. i found some excellent evidence on the other website. evidence of Don King and his friend Jose Suliman advising Lewis to "wait, drag your feet" as Suliman imposed a 30 day deadline on Bowe to agree to face Lewis. King telling Lewis, "You won't have to face Champion Rid**** Bowe, you can fight my man Tucker instead".... video of Lewis agreeing, video of Lewis saying, "He was not ready for a fighter as good as Bowe"... LOL ... yes it is all there on the other forum. On this forum, i am a lone voice against 6 or 7 Lewis nut huggers. on the other forum, it is 100 knowledgeable boxing guys against 5 or 6 Lewis die-hards.

The links you provided are nonsense he states Lewis as number 8 and Wlad having more talent,the stories you provide have nothing really to do with Wlad being the greatest or able to defeat Lewis or about the thread which is Ali ...you did nothing but go on empty pointless Lewis rants.....im starting to wonder which another poster posted awhile back....did Lewis really sleep with your significant other to have you make b.s that suits the agenda? I have to ask because its got to that point unfortunalty....



you ecven claimed Golota as garbage yet on the other thread pump bowe up and how Lewis avoided him?...sorry but you may be smarter than ray but you guys are still are in the three stooges club on here...or should I say the two stooges im a bit hard pressed at the moment who the third one is currently,stiff competiton from a select few have me undecided...



I'll admit you are a good story teller however the article in the paper below I posted shatters you're Lewis/King tag team conspiracy.......

BOXING

BOXING; Lewis Packs a Punch, With Pictures to Prove It

By TOM FRIEND,

Published: May 10, 1993




LAS VEGAS, Nev., May 9— Lennox Lewis wore blue-tinted designer sunglasses to his post-fight news conference -- and he was the winner.

He didn't have a discernible gash, and it wasn't as if connect-the-welts could be played on his face, so the designer frames clearly were for fashion and not for cover-up.

Once again, it seemed Lewis was a style-over-substance heavyweight, but anyone who witnessed his 12-round unanimous decision Saturday night over Tony Tucker will debate that for a fortnight.

In his first title defense since he scooped Rid**** Bowe's World Boxing Council championship belt out of a trash can, Lewis exhibited a locomotive right hand and a reputable chin. He twice deposited the formidable Tucker on the canvas, something Mike Tyson could not manage six years ago. Whew!

If Lewis was guilty of anything, it was heavy breathing. He seemed to expel all of his energy in a brutish ninth round, and he didn't throw a roundhouse punch the remainder of the evening. But his disclaimer afterward was that he had injured his right knuckles against Tucker's forehead.

"I'm ready for Bowe yesterday," said Lewis, who is 23-0, with 19 knockouts.

Bowe, the more generally accepted heavyweight champion, by the World Boxing Association and International Boxing Federation, definitely is in Lewis's future -- likely next spring. But Don King perhaps is not.

King won the bidding war to promote Saturday's fight at the Thomas and Mack Center here, but the post-fight news conference included a bitter exchange between King and Lewis's manager, Frank Maloney.

King had harangued Maloney for weeks for keeping Lewis in hiding, for not assisting in the promotion and for resisting King's efforts to hype the fight with a British versus American theme. King used the news conference as yet another forum to lace into Maloney and to try to coerce the London-born Lewis to join up with King Productions.

King called Maloney "incompetent and ******," among other things, at which time Lewis interrupted to say: "Excuse me. Frank Maloney is my manager. He did a great job. He got me $9 million for this fight." More Bellowing

King's megaphone voice then rose two more octaves.

"No, he didn't; no, he didn't," King said. "I got you $9 million. Don't be a pawn. You're headed the same way as Evander Holyfield."

King may have been right about utilizing the British versus American theme, based on Saturday night's arena acoustics. About 1,000 raucous fans came from London, Liverpool and other British locales to cheer Lewis and then serenade him with songs afterward -- including one called "Chicken Bowe."

One fan, Ross Cathie of Luton, England, d****d himself in the British flag and said: "I love it. This is typical British. We're 8,000 miles away from home and we still have more fans here than anyone. Even if Lennox had lost, we would've sung. We're patriotic to the end."

Next up for the 27-year-old Lewis is sort of an intramural bout against fellow-Englishman Frank Bruno, Sept. 18 in London, although the American public will undoubtedly pay little attention until a Lewis-Bowe fight is arranged.

"Bowe doesn't want to go in with anybody who can give him a fair fight," said Lewis, alluding to Bowe's next matchup against unheralded Jesse Ferguson. Proof Is in the Camera

Lewis, after Saturday, finally has title fight film to back him up. Tucker (48-2) may be 33, but he bounced right up from his third- and ninth-round knockdowns and proved it was worthwhile to train with morning swims in the Mississippi River.

Maloney, however, said Lewis had only fought "so-so." And Tucker's corner was disgusted with its fighter's unfluid jab. The three judges scored it 118-111, 117-111 and 116-112, and in retrospect, Bowe likely will still be favored over Lewis.



Photo: Lennox Lewis after defeating Tony Tucker to retain the W.B.C. heavyweight title Saturday night in Las Vegas, Nev. (Agence France-Presse)


EVERYONE know Lewis disliked king if anything he wouldn't want to do business with him...yea sure he fought tucker to avoid Bowe who he wasn't scheduled to fight yet......

[Elroy1]

Emmanuel Stewart claimed, "Wladimir was the greatest Heavyweight of all time" - Yet Stewart only ever trained two heavyweights in his life. I much prefer to go by what Lou Duva said. Duva trained Holyfield, Tucker, Lewis, Biggs, Moorer, Golota and David Tua. Duva said, "Lewis is just another Carnera" ..

Steward was often praising different aspects of both his HW's games and never came out with a solid comment for either. He happened to train the TWO best HW's who've lived imo (VK aside).

Lou Duva is obviously American biased and is jealous because he didn't get to carry Lewis through glorious times. None of the other fighters he trained could hang on to a HW title if they tried.

Why am i not surprised, you could not name me a single fighter Lewis fought, "Who was at the top of his game" - Vitali Klitschko had Lewis in dire straits and was unfortunate not to come away with victory.

All of the Lewis opponents were at a quality period of their boxing lives.

The drug addicted ones etc you mentioned, sure, except these guys are very few and are not even particularly mentionworthy on his resume to begin with!

As for those you called "roid-heads", I would call that an even GREATER achievement to have beaten dudes that were cheating!

Muhammad Ali fought a "who's who of greats" that were at the top of their game and in their prime. You also fail to mention Ali's prime "Was taken from him" during his exile years.

Muhammad Ali's ACTUAL prime was circa 1974, this is when he both fought his best opponent (Foreman) and his attributes added up to the hardest to beat total package that in turn could have beaten the most possible opponents. The generally accepted "prime" Ali was too weak for the HW scene of Lewis's era altogether and would have been immediately KOed by journeymen.

Ali in ABSOLUTE terms, never fought a decent opponent, with even George Foreman being somewhat unacceptable as an opponent- a 218lb "puncher" in the 90's with absolutely no skills, not really being competitive in the 90's scene.

Ali's resume is better described as "a small selection of some of the weakest and bummiest opponents ever to have laced up the gloves."

Lewis fought a bunch of exposed bums, he was stripped of every version of the title. For refusing to fight the top Contenders. Yet you repeatedly ignore that fact. You talk up Michael Grant, Rahman & McCall. When the reality is they were bums.

Lewis fought probably the highest proportion of quality fighters out of all HW boxers in one of the heftiest and highest quality eras to boot, with nearly every single opponent in turn being able to dominate in any pre-professional era.

In times where Lewis was stripped it was for the unparalleled honourable reason to fight the best available premier opponents the public wanted to see AND which produced the best purse, not letting politics drive him. Such as when he gave up a belt to fight Grant, a true challenge.

Needless the say, one of the main goals of all the sanctioning bodies (and reasons for implementing numerous of them now) is to set up unified champs to BE stripped of titles if possible so they can all make more money (more champs=more title fights=more money). Michael Grant and Hasim Rahman were undoubtedly at the time 2 of the strongest opponents ever faced in title fights, your Ali for instance never even seen an opponent so dangerous let alone fought one. Oliver was the number 1 WBC when he KOed Lewis and was still a highly dangerous and top rated challenger when he had the melt down despite his drug abuse. In fact the main reason he did melt down is because he knew he was in for the only savage KO of his career and preferred to bail out. LEwis made the indomitable McCall CRY!

Watch Rahman vs Maskaev (1) Grant vs Golota & McCall vs Douglas were each one of them, was brutaly exposed as journeymen. Lewis does not have a single great victory to his credit. His win over Holyfield is very debatable. His win over Tyson was a "Farce" with Tyson addicted to anti-depressants, alcohol, ******* & cannabis. Yet here is you claiming Lewis beats Muhammad Ali.

Maskaev is a HW champ, 240lbs, 6'4" and one of the most highly skilled HW champs, Golota is one of the best fighters never be earn the title and in reality was ripped off of the title atleast 3 times, again, 6'4" 250lbs and one of the best technical heavies with a savage punch. Douglas was up and down and a bit featherfisted, but this IS the same guy who ****ing KOed Mike bloody Tyson right? Almost like a Rid**** Bowe at his best.

Lewis either beat all these guys or their conquerers, and this gives your case credit how exactly? It basically underscores the unmatched quality of Lewis.

Nearly every single win of Lewis's is a great victory, greater than any ;pre-pro boxers entire careers really. His wins over Holyfield clear and sound, his win over Tyson entirely valid, it was STILL a very dangerous Tyson who would have smacked Ali down in the opening moments of the first round with Muhammad totally unable to even resist.

George Foreman said, "Lewis does not have a jab, He doesn't know how to throw the jab".. Yet here is you claiming him to be "tactically sound"..

Lennox Lewis had among the best HW jabs of all time, eclipsing Larry Holmes's and bettered maybe only by Wladimir Klitschko himself. More the point Geroge Forman is on record always as being openly declining to fight Lewis, the only guy he admitted he would ever duck and could not beat and as stated by Jugs, Foreman described him as the GOAT.

You claim he defeated every fighter he fought amateur and professional. But it's the fighters he avoided, not the exposed bums he fought. Your claiming he beat every noticable 90s heavyweight.. Yet he avoided them all in the 90s.

Lewis fought and beat nearly every single recognisable opponent in the 90's, the only ones being missed (Byrd, Ruiz, Moorer) were the ones deemed too weak to put up a viable fight. And of course the potential 90's Superfight (Bowe/Lewis) was shamefully ducked by Bowe in the worst display of cowardice not topped until Floyd Mayweather today.

Lewis was awarded the WBC title in 1992. Other fighters to hold versions of the world title during the 90s. Bowe, Holyfield, Holmes (WBO) Hide, Tyson, Seldon, Bruno, Moorer, Foreman... Lewis was stripped for refusing to fight Byrd & Ruiz. Lewis never fought any of the 90s champions in the 90s. He also never fought Sanders or Wladimir between 01-03..

You could have said that about any boxer. The SAME things are said today about Wladimir, that he ducked Chisora and Vitali that he ducked Stiverne and Charr. Yet we all know they were overwhelming favourites as would LEwis have been against any he missed.

The main difference is that your Muhammad Ali CHOSE OFTEN to face career bums, greens and cruisers like Leon Spinks for example, whereas Lewis actively avoided easy opponents in favour of fighting absolute monsters.

Bottom line is Lewis ducked everyone.

Bottom line is, Lewis fought and beat everyone!

And you sir are potentially the biggest nut bag to have graced this forum. I misjudged you totally!

You are from the same 5th generation pedigree nut bag as Mr. Corso. From a long line of OTNB.

Disgraceful!

[Pugilist_Spec]

Love reading the delusional points made by the spastic basement-dweller Elroy!

Ali had a glass jaw even though he was never stopped. Ali had no power even though he knocked out iron-chinned Foreman.

Lewis has the best jab in the history of the heavyweight division, whilst in reality he doesn't have a better jab than Frank Bruno and Ray Mercer.

Isn't the complete ignorance just hilarious?

[Anthony342]

Yes. Yes it is. Still more fun to read the smarter posts here though.

[Elroy1]

Love reading the delusional points made by the spastic basement-dweller Elroy!

Ali had a glass jaw even though he was never stopped. Ali had no power even though he knocked out iron-chinned Foreman.

Lewis has the best jab in the history of the heavyweight division, whilst in reality he doesn't have a better jab than Frank Bruno and Ray Mercer.

Isn't the complete ignorance just hilarious?

Oh yeah right!

Frank "I can't box" Bruno and Ray the statue Mercer are better jabbers than Lennox LEwis!!!

Well done buddy, nice try selling THAT to the public!

Ali was smacked down and basically out by a 185lb bum! And otherwise never really fought ANY decent punchers, the 2 occasions he did, 1 he LOST (Lyle) only to be gifted the win anyway and the other (Foreman) was a gas out stoppage with so many fishy aspects it could fill a book. Needless to say Foreman never really hit Ali flush in the head much anyway, not because Ali was so genius (he was utterly ridiculous) but because Foreman was even worse!

Besides, Foreman 90's had an iron chin, certainly not 70's.

Ali is best described as a chinny featherfisted gun shy cruiser lacking in fundamental boxing skills and mostly out of shape through laziness and indulgence.

He did have fast hands and good stamina but the main reason he won was because he out-talled and out-weighed nearly all of his opponents.

Lucky for Ali it was the 70's and there would not be any really decent opponents for atleast another 10 years.

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