Muhammad Ali and the Big Fighters

[sonnyboyx2]

Poster Juggernaut is constantly making reference, that Lennox Lewis would be "TOO BIG" in a fight against Muhammad Ali.

regardless of a fighters skills or a fighters mobility. Juggernaut only has one way of looking at a match-up ~ Size & Weight!

Muhammad Ali ~ A Dancing master with Lightening fast hands. Ali is universally known as, "The fastest most skilled Heavyweight in history"

Lennox Lewis ~ A plodding behemoth, with the footwork of a camel. Lewis relied on two punches. "Left jab, right hand" he had very little of anything else in his arsenal.

Height.
Muhammad Ali ~ 6''4'
Lennox Lewis ~ 6'' 4 and a half

Weight.
Muhammad Ali ~ 220lbs
Lewis ~ 235lbs

Similar sized opponents.
Muhammad Ali ~ Bugner 6''5', Wepner 6''5', Terrell 6''7',
Lennox Lewis ~ McCrory, Mavrovic, Tucker, Bruno,

KO defeats
Muhammad Ali ~ Never knocked out
Lennox Lewis ~ Twice knocked out by journeymen fighter.


Prime
Muhammad Ali vs Patterson, Folley, Liston, Williams.
Lennox Lewis vs Tucker, Bruno, Mercer, Morrison.

[ukbox]

I bet you pull the heid off it daily looking at posters of Lewis
Then when you've spent your load & are feeling guilty u start a thread slagging Lennox
For services rendered I knight you The Haun(hand)

[Elroy1]

Kindly step aside nut bag!

Let's start with a real description..

-LEnnox Lewis- possibly the GOAT HW, defeated every single opponent he ever faced, only ever dropping 2 losses by fluke KO from powerful and top opponents. Has among the richest resumes of any HW boxer stacked with so many high quality, superheavy/tall fighters one loses count. A technical giant of the ring rarely ever losing rounds of boxing with A grade finishing skills and the highest cerebral intelligence in the ring.

-Muhammad Ali- a chinny, featherfist cruiser who could not even box properly and spend most of his time running or hugging to survive. A totally manufactured career which makes Wilder's look stunning by comparison who's opponents could e described as "a selection of some of the weakest and bummiest boxers ever to have laced up the gloves".

Lennox Lewis, average opponent weight 220lbs

Muhammad Ali, average opponent weight 200ls (cruiser)

Muhammad Ali largest decent opponent- Alvin Lewis (224lbs)- roughly the AVERAGE LEwis opponent.

Lewis fought Rahman, Grant, Golota, Tua- Some of the strongest boxers ever!

Michael Grant both outweighed and outtalled LEwis.

Ali 6'3", Lewis 6'5" (2" difference)
Ali 215ls, LEwis 245lbs (at career best) - (30lb difference)

Ali's best opponents < Lennox's stay busy opponents.

CONCLUSION

LEnnox Lewis would never be allowed to KO the opponents of Muhammad Ali and fans would be disgusted were Lewis to KO Ali even himself.

They do not even deserve comparison. Lewis is a NOW HW, Muhammad is a NOW Cruiserweight.

The ONLY thing they have in common is that they were at one point in history both CALLED HW nominally.

[juggernaut666]

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Poster Juggernaut is constantly making reference, that Lennox Lewis would be "TOO BIG" in a fight against Muhammad Ali.

regardless of a fighters skills or a fighters mobility. Juggernaut only has one way of looking at a match-up ~ Size & Weight!

Muhammad Ali ~ A Dancing master with Lightening fast hands. Ali is universally known as, "The fastest most skilled Heavyweight in history"

Lennox Lewis ~ A plodding behemoth, with the footwork of a camel. Lewis relied on two punches. "Left jab, right hand" he had very little of anything else in his arsenal.

Height.
Muhammad Ali ~ 6''4'
Lennox Lewis ~ 6'' 4 and a half

Weight.
Muhammad Ali ~ 220lbs
Lewis ~ 235lbs

Similar sized opponents.
Muhammad Ali ~ Bugner 6''5', Wepner 6''5', Terrell 6''7',
Lennox Lewis ~ McCrory, Mavrovic, Tucker, Bruno,

KO defeats
Muhammad Ali ~ Never knocked out
Lennox Lewis ~ Twice knocked out by journeymen fighter.


Prime
Muhammad Ali vs Patterson, Folley, Liston, Williams.
Lennox Lewis vs Tucker, Bruno, Mercer, Morrison.

'Folley, Liston, Williams" ALL what would be undersized guys today and they were ALL past there primes as well.....the reality is 205 Frazier beat Ali twice in reality if it was scored fairly....Lewis would never remotely lose to a physically handicapped size difference and style like /weak chinned guy like Frazier "EVER" unless he was drunk. Dont believe me? Watch the overweight Buster Mathis out box Frazier until he tires out.



Now to put it in perspective if possible since elory already did it you are now trying to sell Lewis like he was a 210 pound Terrell who had no balance at all.This guy fought Ali for 15 rounds with one eye and he wasn't even a power puncher....that is the closest guy of his era that comes close to a Lewis in the 60's and its laughable to compare the skill sets and chins .


Norton actually comes the closest in skill set toa Lewis and he beat ali twice arguably so where is the Ali dominance over a bigger Norton?


Sorry but Lewis as Max Kellerman put it would be way to big for Ali to handle in the modern super heavyweight era.


Going on what and who you think are better ...Carnera vs Wepner must have you salivating?

[ukbox]

Boxing scene's 3 stooges play soggy biscuit
Nyuk nyuk nyuk

[Elroy1]

Hey there isn't always time for a detailed breakdown but the result will be the same. There are no chances Muhammad Ali could have even hung with most of Lewis opponents let alone Lewis himself. Lewis would ko Ali with the first connected shot and if we could put a force field around Ali he would be hit by nearly every punch Lewis threw, would hardly be able to hit Lewis back at all and could never win a round.

These are the facts. Ali is literally a bum to Lewis. Even less than a bum.

[Scott9945]

Hey there isn't always time for a detailed breakdown but the result will be the same. There are no chances Muhammad Ali could have even hung with most of Lewis opponents let alone Lewis himself. Lewis would ko Ali with the first connected shot and if we could put a force field around Ali he would be hit by nearly every punch Lewis threw, would hardly be able to hit Lewis back at all and could never win a round.

These are the facts. Ali is literally a bum to Lewis. Even less than a bum.

This crap means a lot from the clown who claims he could have beaten Jack Dempsey.

[sonnyboyx2]

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'Folley, Liston, Williams" ALL what would be undersized guys today and they were ALL past there primes as well.....the reality is 205 Frazier beat Ali twice in reality if it was scored fairly....Lewis would never remotely lose to a physically handicapped size difference and style like /weak chinned guy like Frazier "EVER" unless he was drunk. Dont believe me? Watch the overweight Buster Mathis out box Frazier until he tires out.



Now to put it in perspective if possible since elory already did it you are now trying to sell Lewis like he was a 210 pound Terrell who had no balance at all.This guy fought Ali for 15 rounds with one eye and he wasn't even a power puncher....that is the closest guy of his era that comes close to a Lewis in the 60's and its laughable to compare the skill sets and chins .


Norton actually comes the closest in skill set toa Lewis and he beat ali twice arguably so where is the Ali dominance over a bigger Norton?


Sorry but Lewis as Max Kellerman put it would be way to big for Ali to handle in the modern super heavyweight era.


Going on what and who you think are better ...Carnera vs Wepner must have you salivating?

McCall ~ 6''2' and 225lbs easily defeated by Cruiserweights Mike Hunter & Orlin Norris, yet McCall poleaxed Lennox Lewis.

Rahman ~ 6''2' and 230lbs (steroids) Oleg Maskaev poleaxed Rahmam TWICE..

Lewis ballgobblers make me laugh LOL, they now have him knocking out Muhammad Ali LOLOL yet Lewis could not knock out Levi Billups, with Billups getting leveled by every opponent he ever faced who had a pulse. LOL

[sonnyboyx2]

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'Folley, Liston, Williams" ALL what would be undersized guys today and they were ALL past there primes as well.....the reality is 205 Frazier beat Ali twice in reality if it was scored fairly....Lewis would never remotely lose to a physically handicapped size difference and style like /weak chinned guy like Frazier "EVER" unless he was drunk. Dont believe me? Watch the overweight Buster Mathis out box Frazier until he tires out.



Now to put it in perspective if possible since elory already did it you are now trying to sell Lewis like he was a 210 pound Terrell who had no balance at all.This guy fought Ali for 15 rounds with one eye and he wasn't even a power puncher....that is the closest guy of his era that comes close to a Lewis in the 60's and its laughable to compare the skill sets and chins .


Norton actually comes the closest in skill set toa Lewis and he beat ali twice arguably so where is the Ali dominance over a bigger Norton?


Sorry but Lewis as Max Kellerman put it would be way to big for Ali to handle in the modern super heavyweight era.


Going on what and who you think are better ...Carnera vs Wepner must have you salivating?

The BIG Difference between you and me Jugger is, i have seen Lennox Lewis fight live` on 6 occasions (Williams, McCrory, Ruddock, Bruno, McCall & Fortune).. i have see Joe Frazier fight Live` against Joe Bugner. All you have seen, in which to make up your opinion. Is watching on "Cold-Flat -Screen TV"...

I watched Lewis get poleaxed by McCall in less than 2rds.
I watched Bruno give Lewis a boxing lesson.
I watched Lewis with his two-left feet & footwork of a camel.
I watched Ruddock not throw a single punch and get Booed Out of the Arena
I watched Frazier hammer Bugners body until it was black & Blue and Bugner measures up to Lewis in size and was a better boxer.

Ken Norton 6''3' was a sparring partner, for many years for Frazier. Norton never `bested` Frazier. Larry Holmes 6''3' was a sparring partner for Frazier. Holmes claims in his Autobiography, "Against the Odds" Joe Frazier would Bomb Out Lewis in a couple of rounds. I would actually fancy Buster Mathis to defeat Lennox Lewis.

Jugger; Name for me, the elite boxers who Lennox Lewis fought and defeated, who were "At the Top of their Game"...

[juggernaut666]

The BIG Difference between you and me Jugger is, i have seen Lennox Lewis fight live` on 6 occasions (Williams, McCrory, Ruddock, Bruno, McCall & Fortune).. i have see Joe Frazier fight Live` against Joe Bugner. All you have seen, in which to make up your opinion. Is watching on "Cold-Flat -Screen TV"...

I watched Lewis get poleaxed by McCall in less than 2rds.
I watched Bruno give Lewis a boxing lesson.
I watched Lewis with his two-left feet & footwork of a camel.
I watched Ruddock not throw a single punch and get Booed Out of the Arena
I watched Frazier hammer Bugners body until it was black & Blue and Bugner measures up to Lewis in size and was a better boxer.

Ken Norton 6''3' was a sparring partner, for many years for Frazier. Norton never `bested` Frazier. Larry Holmes 6''3' was a sparring partner for Frazier. Holmes claims in his Autobiography, "Against the Odds" Joe Frazier would Bomb Out Lewis in a couple of rounds. I would actually fancy Buster Mathis to defeat Lennox Lewis.

Jugger; Name for me, the elite boxers who Lennox Lewis fought and defeated, who were "At the Top of their Game"...

He's an Olympic gold medalist who defeated everyone he ever faced in amateur or professional.

Despite being such a big man he still was incredibly tactically sound and had very fast hands. Aside from Moorer and maybe Byrd he beat every notable 90s heavyweight.

Tua, Holyfield (x2), Mercer, Morrison, Tyson, Briggs, Golota, Ruddock, Rahman, McCall, Grant ,Bruno and he even beat Vitali Klitschko at an old age who turned out to be an ATG heavyweight.



Not sure why you think a fighter standing 5'11 at sub 200 pounds Frazier is of relevance here? He simply is not....Ali "NEVER" beat a prime Frazier either....Ali never beat really any prime fighter in his own prime yet you play the "ELITE" card here? The simple truth ,discarding all nonsense and as stated head to head Lewis would look like a nightmare compared to ANYONE Ali ever fought. In all probability had Mathis had been a power puncher , Frazier gets k.od there too, he never fought anyone but Foreman who would be the only guy that resembled HW's of Lewis era and here you are trying to sell me a elite 6'5 230 /250 pounder pales in comparison ?



I bring up Ali since you are playing the who did he fight card.......Well the same in comparison then can be directed at Ali.....Is ali not a great for HIS time? You seem to be oblivious just to how dangerous and talented some of those 90's HW fighters actually were. Anyone can dissect anyone who they fought and find holes...it doesn't take genius...howver one cannot deny the size/skill and trainer of Steward and say he is overatted and be sane.



Simply put at the end of the day the popularity game does not win,only to those who hold "All time great" as a skill.....it is not......it is a lable.





"i have see Joe Frazier fight Live` against Joe Bugner. All you have seen, in which to make up your opinion. Is watching on "Cold-Flat -Screen TV"... "