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Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
Come on now elroy,you know liston is better ,he beat Williams twice! We all know Rahman would never defeat those 170/200 pound sloppy fighters with losing records liston beat anyway,even though ones on vid in this very thread that shows a 5'7 175 pounder but who cares he was the german champion so he must be miles over Rhaman too.. but whos looking?..... Heaven forbid if Patterson got a hold of him as well
Last edited by juggernaut666; 11-24-2015, 05:46 PM.Comment
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Yea because we all know how super strong those 60's fighters were correct? Even Fury would dominate that era,thats how weak it was.Originally posted by HughJass View Post
lets see who the top guys were...
Aged Folley at 6'0 200 pounds slow footed and basic...no movement at all really.
Aged /injured and debilitated Cleveland Williams .
6'1 190 pound Karl milenburger another slow footing,slow punching,glass jaw who cut easy....
These were the top guys of alis prime........ ^^^^^
yea sure a 7'1 270 pound athletic guy doesn't fare well......
Last edited by juggernaut666; 11-24-2015, 06:03 PM.Comment
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Look its juggy & elroid making friends and playing nicely
Sonny's early days;
Not bad for a guy fresh out of prison!
Amateur Highlights
1953
St. Louis Golden Gloves
Feb 13 Luther Corder KO 2
Feb 13 LLoyd Willis W 3 - Finals
Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions
Feb 24 Donnie Fleeman KO 3
Feb 24 Carl McClure W 3
Feb 25 Tullos Lee Mead KO 2 - Quarterfinals
Mar 6 Ben Bankhead W 3 - Semifinals
Mar 6 Ed Sanders W 3 - Finals----(Olympic Heavyweight Champion)
Intercity Golden Gloves Championship (Chicago, IL)
Mar 26 Julius Griffin W 3
National AAU Tournament (Boston, MA)
Apr 14 Lou Graff KO 1
Apr 15 James McCarter L 3 - Quarterfinals
International Golden Gloves (St. Louis, MO)(champ)
West Germany Jun 23 Herman Schreibauer TKO 1--(European bronze medalists)
Not much background or experience yet he did very well against top amatuer fighters.
Liston is a top ten heavyweight puncher and the video shows that (thanks elroid). You see men with heavy hands don't need to be in a hurry they usually step and try to keep one foot on the matt so they can set up quickly when the opening presents its self.
Liston in his prime was a very fighter and had an excellant jab too. At 6' 1/2"
with a huge 82" reach he had power and reach advantages over most heavies
A man who parlayed boxing and fighting very nicely he was a huge draw as a up & comer and a feared puncher in his prime.
RayLast edited by Ray Corso; 11-24-2015, 06:13 PM.Comment
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So the vid I posted shows a superior puncher decking a 170 pounder? Liston is a top ten Hw in what world? He was a top HW in his era, he was the number one Hw b/c there really wasn't many guys over 210 pounds.....arguably he could have a top jab and MAYBE make a top 10 list since he used it on the guys like in the video I posted but that's only if you reach...Many guys developed jabs..over the eras.... He will be known for his power obviously however its all opinion of how he would actually fare with modern ones. The biggest guy he was in with was 210 Williams who couldn't take a punch either if we are going by the k.o standard since wlad is glass jawed correct?Originally posted by Ray Corso View PostLook its juggy & elroid making friends and playing nicely
Sonny's early days;
Not bad for a guy fresh out of prison!
Amateur Highlights
1953
St. Louis Golden Gloves
Feb 13 Luther Corder KO 2
Feb 13 LLoyd Willis W 3 - Finals
Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions
Feb 24 Donnie Fleeman KO 3
Feb 24 Carl McClure W 3
Feb 25 Tullos Lee Mead KO 2 - Quarterfinals
Mar 6 Ben Bankhead W 3 - Semifinals
Mar 6 Ed Sanders W 3 - Finals----(Olympic Heavyweight Champion)
Intercity Golden Gloves Championship (Chicago, IL)
Mar 26 Julius Griffin W 3
National AAU Tournament (Boston, MA)
Apr 14 Lou Graff KO 1
Apr 15 James McCarter L 3 - Quarterfinals
International Golden Gloves (St. Louis, MO)
Jun 23 Herman Schreibauer TKO 1--(European bronze medalists)
Not much background or experience yet he did very well against top amatuer fighters.
Liston is a top ten heavyweight puncher and the video shows that (thanks elroid). You see men with heavy hands don't need to be in a hurry they usually step and try to keep one foot on the matt so they can set up quickly when the opening presents its self.
Liston in his prime was a very fighter and had an excellant jab too. At 6' 1/2"
with a huge 82" reach he had power and reach advantages over most heavies
A man who parlayed boxing and fighting very nicely he was a huge draw as a up & comer and a feared puncher in his prime.
Ray
Can you name me one top HW in the 90's who wouldn't be a feared puncher pre 70's?Comment
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Chris Byrd would fit that bill, right.
Well think about, gotta go have a nice nite and try not to have everyone hate you at once, bad karma!Last edited by Ray Corso; 11-24-2015, 06:33 PM.Comment
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I know right, of course that was just a YOUNG Liston, fully excusable unlike older versions of fighters who fighters always get a tonne of credit for beating lol.Originally posted by juggernaut666 View PostCome on now elroy,you know liston is better ,he beat Williams twice! We all know Rahman would never defeat those 170/200 pound sloppy fighters with losing records liston beat anyway,even though ones on vid in this very thread that shows a 5'7 175 pounder but who cares he was the german champion so he must be miles over Rhaman too.. but whos looking?..... Heaven forbid if Patterson got a hold of him as well
Cleveland Williams ey.
A "puncher" back in those days LOL basically meaning he was about as skilled as a tree sloth.
What the nut bags like Scott fail to check is his performance against 200+ opponents and more specificlly against 220lb realm opponents which Rahman actually fought.
We then find Williams was about as much a puncher as Chris Byrd!
Oh, but size didn't matter to guys like Williams and Liston, guys who out-sized nearly ALL of their opponents LOLComment
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Haha...Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post
In order to save his precious Liston, Ray has to resort to Chris Byrd!
ASide from the fact that the Byrd punch would be MUCH stronger against 50's opponents (maybe even a top puncher?)..
Who from the 50's could land any good blows on Byrd?
Byrd would have utterly dominated the 50's, clowned and KOed Liston by accumulation fairly early and be today held as some sort of boxing GOD that nobody since could ever hold a candle to.
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Can you not watch the video's?Originally posted by Scott9945 View Post
Are you unable to believe your own eyes?
Or do you trust what you are told to think over the actual evidence when it's right in front of your face?
This Liston has just been destroyed right in front of your eyes and you are still in denial!
Like some sort of religious freak!
There is no cure for the sickness that has overtaken you Scott. Just LOOK at them!Comment
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This is coming from someone who calls Sugar Ray Robinson a bum?Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
Someone who said Earnie Shavers would have the same punching power as Chris Byrd if he fought now?
Someone who said he would be able to beat prime Jack Dempsey in a boxing match?
Sorry, when I read your posts I see a guy with clown hair, a clown nose, and clown shoes. So try to spread your propaganda somewhere else, Bozo. You have zero credibility with me.
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