How many fighters of the last 15-20 years can be considered ATG's/legends

[Ray Corso]

"Evander Holyfield and Tomasz Adamek...

Both boxers are very closely comparable in abilities. The only difference being that Evander is a product of the American consumerist hype machine which exists to "sell" it's products, where as Adamek is from the raw former Soviet boxing machine where actual performance and winning was all that mattered. "Theatrics" had nothing to do with it".


This tells everyone all you need to know about elroid, compare Adamek to Holyfield and then some BS about the Eastern Promotion not being able to compete against the USA market.........no sh*! jackazz they just tore the wall down, oh thats right you were born after it so it seems a long time ago.

Don't forget that Drago could have beaten Stevenson in the Olympics if he was a "real person"!!! hahahaha

Ray.

[Elroy1]

"Evander Holyfield and Tomasz Adamek...

Both boxers are very closely comparable in abilities. The only difference being that Evander is a product of the American consumerist hype machine which exists to "sell" it's products, where as Adamek is from the raw former Soviet boxing machine where actual performance and winning was all that mattered. "Theatrics" had nothing to do with it".


This tells everyone all you need to know about elroid, compare Adamek to Holyfield and then some BS about the Eastern Promotion not being able to compete against the USA market.........no sh*! jackazz they just tore the wall down, oh thats right you were born after it so it seems a long time ago.

Don't forget that Drago could have beaten Stevenson in the Olympics if he was a "real person"!!! hahahaha

Ray.

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Yet another idiotic and in parts baffling response.

I merely explained how the only difference is in how each boxer was marketed.

I am sure in Poland, everyone is ASSURED of Adamek's superiority but you would not look at the other side of the same coin. Only the one with stars and stripes.

[Elroy1]

You're right. Ali wouldn't have been allowed to fight most of Vitali's resume.

Reason being Ali generally fought top 10 fighters throughout his career, and Vitali didn't.

Back in Ali's days the standards for a champion was a lot higher.

Oh really LOL let's see what happens if Ali faces guys like Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, Chris Arreola etc... A peculiar thing happens..

Suddenly, Ali is up against guys bigger and of higher quality than he has ever faced, and unlike the circus acts of his own day he fought such as that idiot from "Superman II", these guys know how to ****ing box!

But the real joke comes when we imagine Vitali Klitschko up against Ali's actual opponents..

Imagine Patterson, Mildenberger, Jones, Frazier, Terrell, Williams, Shavers, Young, Chuvalo and Bnavena etc approaching Vitali up to the height of his chest, weighing as much as his right leg, being able to box to about the ability as the average cross fitter today....

IT would be laughable. And fans would be utterly disgusted and tune out their TV sets and Vitali would have lost all his PPV power.

And psst, here a little secret, EVERYBODY knows it! Nobody would ever WANT to see Vitali KO such opponents and certainly nobody would ever pay for it.

Ali's resume would be considerable against current cruiser standards (although I would still argue against it's validity there also) but can't even rate at HW. Maybe top 50 or something like that.

[Ray Corso]

No goofy I look at talent through my eyes that get paid to evaluate fighters you moron.
If you can't tell the differences between Admek and Evander that just explains your incompedance abit further. Ademak is a C-/+ rated talent and Evander was an A.

Where someone lives is meaningless to me, however if you want to get political just remember who the real heavyweight champion is on the globe!
Its not England or down under and its not in your Mommies house in your room that she owns and your little pee brain.
..................I told you to wipe that brown off your nose boy when thinking of Wlad your disgusting...........

now go away again

[Scott9945]

I am sure in Poland, everyone is ASSURED of Adamek's superiority but you would not look at the other side of the same coin. Only the one with stars and stripes.

Holyfield was a better fighter than Adamek anywhere in the world. No sane person would doubt that. But you might.

[Elroy1]

They both had great chin,

they both fought well against larger+quality opponents

they were approximately the same size and strength

they booth fought with a similar style.

The main difference was Holy was a little bit more punch baggish than Adamek, but that's not to say that he wasn't nimble when he was younger of course.

The parallels are staggering.

And it's only in the minds of OTNB that they are not.

And it's only because of the implications for Vitali Klitschko=GOAT they they are repressed.

[Scott9945]

They both had great chin,

they both fought well against larger+quality opponents

they were approximately the same size and strength

they booth fought with a similar style.

The main difference was Holy was a little bit more punch baggish than Adamek, but that's not to say that he wasn't nimble when he was younger of course.

The parallels are staggering.

And it's only in the minds of OTNB that they are not.

And it's only because of the implications for Vitali Klitschko=GOAT they they are repressed.

So you think that Adamek could have beaten Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, and drew with Lewis?

What was Adamek's biggest win, O'Neil Bell?

It's called class. And in this case, there is no comparison whatsoever.

[boxingnut712]

So you think that Adamek could have beaten Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, and drew with Lewis?

What was Adamek's biggest win, O'Neil Bell?

It's called class. And in this case, there is no comparison whatsoever.

Oh man does this get off topic quick. I tried to pick one or two from each division, but some are multiple division fighters. I tried to throw them in their best weight class.

Heavyweight: Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight: Michael Moorer
Super Middleweight: Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight: Bernard Hopkins / Roy Jones Jr.
Jr. Middleweight: ??????
Welterweight: Felix Trinidad / Oscar De La Hoya
Jr Welterweight: Julio Caesar Chavez
Lightweight: Shane Mosley
Jr. Lightweight: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Featherweight: Marco Antonio Barrera
Jr. Featherweight: Erik Morales
Bantamweight: Manny Pacquiao
Jr. Bantamweight: Johnny Tapia
Crap now it gets really hard
Flyweight: ??????
Jr. Flyweight: Ricardo Lopez
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez

[Elroy1]

So you think that Adamek could have beaten Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, and drew with Lewis?

What was Adamek's biggest win, O'Neil Bell?

It's called class. And in this case, there is no comparison whatsoever.

That's the same as me asking "What was Holy's biggest win? Dwight Kwai???

It's ******!

And of course Tomasz could have beaten those bloody opponents!

Would you not simply ASSUME that Holyfield could have beaten Arreola, Golota, Grant and Chambers? Even though there can be much doubt there also???

Only someone who has never seen Adamek fight can write him off like you do.

You comment on guys you've never even seen!

Fortunately, I have seen both and all fights and can therefore make a completely non-biased opinion! based on nothing more than actual fact!

[billeau2]

Long winded garbage as usual...

Vitali retired Lewis.. R.E.T.I.R.E.D him, and he did it in an even greater fashion than simply beating or KOing him.

A KO can be a freak occurance even when it's clean, just as LEnnox's KO losses themselves were! And when we're talking about a ridiculous cut stoppage like with Vitali, considering Lennox's antics after his own non-controversial KO losses, well things don't add up.

Vitali did outbox him, that much is undeniable.

What is fact is that Vitali put the fear of life in Lewis..

Basically Lewis, pulled a Rid**** Bowe and dumped his belt in order not to fight Vitali.

You can make a case that Lennox Lewis himself committed one of the most shameful acts in all of boxing right up there with Rid**** Bowe and Floyd Mayweather.

Except where Rid**** and Floyd are positively flogged for their cowardice, Lennox Lewis is actually PRAISED for it?

Absolute bollocks and you know it!

You and Sonny are the same: you make things up and then call them facts with no support what so ever. Yor ridiculous. Vitalie lost to Lewis get over it...

Lewis had every right to retire, he never ducked fighters when he was active. Listen to your BS...One of the most shameful acts huh? so thngs like margaritos plaster wraps, fighters throwing fights etc etc etc are not as shameful as a man retiring? do you think before you post? Your truly an idiot and the fact of the matter is one cannot argue with an idiot. Assuming Lewis ducked a fighter who retired him... your point is that this is the most shameful thing a fighter can do? You even contradict yourself...did Lewis get retired? or did he duck a fighter that he could have fought again Elroy?

Ridiculous cut stoppage huh? you really think he could have gone on with his face wide open like that?

You know...I can accept differences of opinion regarding the relative success of Vitalie's efforts against Lewis, but you have no perspective what so ever, no common sense.