How many fighters of the last 15-20 years can be considered ATG's/legends

[Ray Corso]

If you take a good look at Hopkins Middleweight run you'll some consecutive
victories but against who?
At 160 he has a good win over John David Jackson and Glen Johnson two good fighters.
Then he moves up to Jermain Taylor and drops two fights to him. Prior to those 4 fights theres a few decent wins over former welters who were past their best. Winning 20 of 21 against trials then stepping up to Roy Jones and loosing in his first test isn't the end of the world but when he stepped up he lost!

Bernard has become a current day phenom because he's been hand picking his opponents through his 40's and it impresses people who don't know or care who he is fighting. They just think its great a guy can defeat someone half his age, another promo job.
His lightheavy run is ok but again he doesn't win against all the best he faces.
Never been stopped is always impressive with 60+ bouts but that alone doesn't make you an ATG. Also his style changed to a surviver half way through his career and thats not what an ATG does.
Likeable guy, good skills and knowledge but no ATG to me.
Ray

[Sugar Adam Ali]

If you take a good look at Hopkins Middleweight run you'll some consecutive
victories but against who?
At 160 he has a good win over John David Jackson and Glen Johnson two good fighters.
Then he moves up to Jermain Taylor and drops two fights to him. Prior to those 4 fights theres a few decent wins over former welters who were past their best. Winning 20 of 21 against trials then stepping up to Roy Jones and loosing in his first test isn't the end of the world but when he stepped up he lost!

Bernard has become a current day phenom because he's been hand picking his opponents through his 40's and it impresses people who don't know or care who he is fighting. They just think its great a guy can defeat someone half his age, another promo job.
His lightheavy run is ok but again he doesn't win against all the best he faces.
Never been stopped is always impressive with 60+ bouts but that alone doesn't make you an ATG. Also his style changed to a surviver half way through his career and thats not what an ATG does.
Likeable guy, good skills and knowledge but no ATG to me.
Ray

I agree.....

[Elroy1]

The quips about Klitschko's both not being ATGs are some of the most outrageous comments to ever come out of the OTNB community, as both are guaranteed ATG status beyond any doubt and everybody knows it. For instance anybody with a family, wife, kids to feed and elderly parents to look after and a house could comfortably bet all of it and the rest of their entire savings and assets on it and sleep restfully assured that the ATG status is going to be granted.

As for Bernard Hopkins the guy has a win over friggin Roy Jones, a narrow defeat to Calzaghe and wins over Tarver, DeLa Hoya, Pascal, Wright among others. To claim him not a ATG worthy is simply ****ing ludicrous!

Even if it IS the history section, how the hell can guys get away with such idiocy!

[LacedUp]

I would imagine the toppest boxers for that duration of time would be considered so in more or less the same proportions that they always have been.

The notions of ATG and HOF can basically be defined as achievements against the criteria of the era.

In this case Lennox, Wlad, Vitali, PAc and Mayweather are ATG's along with Roy Jones, Oscar etc, w/o even a second thought.

There'd be a multitude of HOFers obviously.

In what way is Vitali ever an ATG?

[LuisConcepcion]

If you take a good look at Hopkins Middleweight run you'll some consecutive
victories but against who?
At 160 he has a good win over John David Jackson and Glen Johnson two good fighters.
Then he moves up to Jermain Taylor and drops two fights to him. Prior to those 4 fights theres a few decent wins over former welters who were past their best. Winning 20 of 21 against trials then stepping up to Roy Jones and loosing in his first test isn't the end of the world but when he stepped up he lost!

Bernard has become a current day phenom because he's been hand picking his opponents through his 40's and it impresses people who don't know or care who he is fighting. They just think its great a guy can defeat someone half his age, another promo job.
His lightheavy run is ok but again he doesn't win against all the best he faces.
Never been stopped is always impressive with 60+ bouts but that alone doesn't make you an ATG. Also his style changed to a surviver half way through his career and thats not what an ATG does.
Likeable guy, good skills and knowledge but no ATG to me.
Ray

I dunno i feel this is underrating Bernard. Some valid points but I think the dude has earned ATG status based on his longevity and overall Ring IQ

I kinda see why you dont give him that status. You seem to reserve it for only the great punchers and the really highly talented boxers.

[Scott9945]

In what way is Vitali ever an ATG?

He is really, really big. And that is what matters most to Elroy.

[BKM-2010]

I dunno i feel this is underrating Bernard. Some valid points but I think the dude has earned ATG status based on his longevity and overall Ring IQ

I kinda see why you dont give him that status. You seem to reserve it for only the great punchers and the really highly talented boxers.

Hopkins is a highly talented boxer. I'm not surprised by ol' Ray but I don't see how others don't consider Hopkins an ATG, pretty ridiculous imo. I think he's easily on the level of Mayweather and Jones.

He made history several times in his career(MW title streak, oldest boxing champion). Breaking records should count very highly for your legacy. How many primed ATG's did Tyson beat? Pretty much none, but he's the youngest heavyweight champ ever, was the first to completely unify all the bunch of lingering belts and cleared out the devision in a very short timespan, and was one of the first ever champions to win the HW title a second time. That, and his incredible abilities makes him an ATG.

Hopkins has the records and history, doing things on an unprecedented advanced age, but he has also has the fact that he was the underdog quite a few times and ended up schooling his younger opponents. Then there's his throwback style and high ring IQ, great wins over Trinidad, Tarver, Pavlik, Pascal, Johnson etc. and most of his losses being very close. disputable(I still think he has wins over Calzaghe and Taylor). Never been stopped in 60+ fights. I mean, it goes on and on. He's one of the best of his generation.

[Ray Corso]

........."longevity and overall Ring IQ"................


Whimpy Halstead boxed forever (18 yrs) he's NOT an ATG.
I said Bernard was a clever fellow but those two alone don't cover the title!
Willie Pep is not known for power punching yet he is an ATG boxer.
Highly talented.....................yes the highly talented have a better shot at getting there as opposed to the "mildly" talented.
Bernard as hyped his promo into the grand dad of current boxing, he is a likeable fellow and he is very visable at big shows and keeps his smile at the events front and center.
If you like him in your ATG list by all means put him there. I'm not looking for agreement I'm just posting and valadating my opinion. Your welcomed to yours.
Ray

[LacedUp]

The quips about Klitschko's both not being ATGs are some of the most outrageous comments to ever come out of the OTNB community, as both are guaranteed ATG status beyond any doubt and everybody knows it. For instance anybody with a family, wife, kids to feed and elderly parents to look after and a house could comfortably bet all of it and the rest of their entire savings and assets on it and sleep restfully assured that the ATG status is going to be granted.

As for Bernard Hopkins the guy has a win over friggin Roy Jones, a narrow defeat to Calzaghe and wins over Tarver, DeLa Hoya, Pascal, Wright among others. To claim him not a ATG worthy is simply ****ing ludicrous!

Even if it IS the history section, how the hell can guys get away with such idiocy!

But what has Vitali done to be considered an ATG? What is the difference between him and Sven Ottke? Other than Ottke having more defenses.

[LacedUp]

He is really, really big. And that is what matters most to Elroy.

I suppose that's reason enough