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[The plunger man]

Once again you use some of the clumsier examples here mate... Jess Willard was considered even when champion as a rather poorly skilled fighter, but if you watch B Leonard closely you will see nothing remotely primitive. Yes I know you think the fighters of the 80's quite superior to those today and there we can certainly agree.

each to there own

[McGoorty]

each to there own

yes Steve that is true isn't it...... But do you really think nothing I said has value or logic or anything reasonable good about it ?

[The plunger man]

yes Steve that is true isn't it...... But do you really think nothing I said has value or logic or anything reasonable good about it ?

I respect your opinion and it's obvious you have studied the old school boxing and all the fighters from that golden era .... Of course it has value mcgoorty in what you say but I have always viewed it the other way in regards to how boxers have improved over time.....it still doesn't take anything away from what they achieved as at that time because they were best they could possibly be....same as now it's the same for them as well...I'm sure there be other eras when it's compared

[Elroy1]

Listen BOY, you are the dumbo around here, I have been part of this forum for a long long time and you are still wearing nappies (or diapers if you prefer). You are nothing but a troll and Jack Dempsey would have knocked you out in about 2 seconds flat, you'd be out cold before your head hit the canvas, you dumb turd, just go bury your head somewhere.

I literally think I would have a very good chance at beating JACK dEMPSEY my bloody self for christ sake!

It is unbelievable that you are trying to promote these guys as thrashing machines. Today you can see an equivalent level of boxing at a local amateur shed.

And yes, EVEN in America!!

[Scott9945]

I literally think I would have a very good chance at beating JACK dEMPSEY my bloody self for christ sake!

This has to be the ******est comment ever posted here.

I'll give you credit for one thing, you always find ways to top yourself. I'd bet my life with no fear if you were to fight the 1920 version of Jack Dempsey. I'd probably have nothing to worry about if it were the 1930, 1940, 1950, or 1960 version either. I really don't need to know anything about you. It doesn't matter.

[Elroy1]

This has to be the ******est comment ever posted here.

I'll give you credit for one thing, you always find ways to top yourself. I'd bet my life with no fear if you were to fight the 1920 version of Jack Dempsey. I'd probably have nothing to worry about if it were the 1930, 1940, 1950, or 1960 version either. I really don't need to know anything about you. It doesn't matter.

What, you mean THIS jACK Dempsey?

http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/5/5b/Jack_Dempsey_title.jpg/300px-Jack_Dempsey_title.jpg

I'm shaking.

[McGoorty]

I literally think I would have a very good chance at beating JACK dEMPSEY my bloody self for christ sake!

It is unbelievable that you are trying to promote these guys as thrashing machines. Today you can see an equivalent level of boxing at a local amateur shed.

And yes, EVEN in America!!

You are either a complete troll or a bloody NUTCASE..... You haven't a clue what you are on about but hell I wish I had some of the drugs you are on man.

[McGoorty]

I literally think I would have a very good chance at beating JACK dEMPSEY my bloody self for christ sake!

It is unbelievable that you are trying to promote these guys as thrashing machines. Today you can see an equivalent level of boxing at a local amateur shed.

And yes, EVEN in America!!

Oh yeah by the way if I was a younger and wasn't suffering the effects of chemotherapy I would kick your ass let alone an ex heavyweight champion now run along back to the other forums where you may actually have a clue about what you are talking about cos you have no clue about history in the slightest, here you are just a child with a childs brain...... now off you go junior.

[MosleyBoxing]

Sugar Ray Robin's first 180 fights.....

That's your opinion and I've no intention to argue opinions, only facts.



You are aware that while Robinson's peak is hard to pin-point, the footage you possess of him is certainly post-prime by a good couple of years.

Trying to reference boxers you mentioned, you could almost equate it to having only Ray Leonard 1987 and onwards footage.



Your original argument was that Robinson was lucky to get draws in both contests.



You opinion again, no issue with opinions.



To begin an opinion with "I have boxed x amount of years" or similar ilk is good background information but for me not relevant.

The ability to box is different to the ability to study boxers. Otherwise all boxers of a certain level would never be incorrect with their analysis or predictions for pending contests.

I am not saying your experience is worth nothing - but it does not automatically place you above somebody who never had the opportunity to box and has only observed.



Big fan or both. Opinion, but Pep gets a knock because I don't feel he had a huge heart - Saddler exposed that on more than one occasion.



Opinion. To be honest I have never compared the two in any extensive manner.



Depends on which boxers we are discussing.



That is an opinion which is wildly incorrect.



Robinson was post-prime at MW, despite that I'd have to put him in as slight favourite against Hagler. Really would be dependent on how Hagler comes into the contest.

Robinson and Leonard at WW would be one of the best match-ups possible, though my own personal opinion is that Leonard style is not the type to give Robinson trouble.



The world indoor record in cycling. No significant improvement since Eddy Merckx (shall we call him the Robinson of cycling) set a new record in 1972.

Chris Boardman (arguable top 3 modern TT's) beat Merckx's record in 2000 by 10 metres (32.8 ft), an improvement of 0.02%.

What also needs to be taken into consideration is the make-up of both men, Merckx was a mutliple grand tour leader each year, Boardman a time-trial specialist - the amount of time both were able to dedicate to their effort would of differed greatly - not giving consideration to often cited "modern training and fitness".

Evolution? Bigger? Stronger? Faster?



You missed my point, using boxrec can you tell me Robinson 7th professional opponent?

Sugar Ray Robinson was 80 wins 0 losses as an amateur; then turned pro and won his first 40 fights, before he lost a controversial close decision to Jake LaMotta who's in the Hall of Fame)........
3 weeks later he fought Jake again and won. Then Sugar went on to win ANOTHER 40 fights in a row. That's a record of (180 wins and only 1 loss!). No other fighter in the history of boxing has ever achieved this. These are facts. Even Muhammad Ali said that Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter p4p of all times! I agree with Ali's opinion. especially coming from the boxer who says "I'm the greatest Heavyweight of all times". I'm just saying.

[MosleyBoxing]

Sugar Ray Robinson was 80 wins 0 losses as an amateur; then turned pro and won his first 40 fights, before he lost a controversial close decision to Jake LaMotta who's in the Hall of Fame)........
3 weeks later he fought Jake again and won. Then Sugar went on to win ANOTHER 40 fights in a row. That's a record of (180 wins and only 1 loss!). No other fighter in the history of boxing has ever achieved this. These are facts. Even Muhammad Ali said that Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter p4p of all times! I agree with Ali's opinion. especially coming from the boxer who says "I'm the greatest Heavyweight of all times". I'm just saying.