Rid**** Bowe or Vitali Klitschko. Who ranks higher?

[Anthony342]

I go with Vitali. Bowe has one great win, but Vitali has at least several good wins. While in a weaker era, he still fought everybody. His only losses are from a shoulder injury, which he later needed surgery for and on a cut in a fight he wanted to continue.

[juggernaut666]

Morrison was not allowed fight Bowe by his promoter.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-06-...1_rid****-bowe

Vitali's resume is absolute garbage. And he lost his biggest fight. Bowe won his.

Vitali's best wins Arroela and Peter were barley as good as Jesse Furguson.

Bowe had to fight Ferguson after he beat Ray Mercer in an eliminator . Mercer also was better than Arrolea and Peter.

Donald was prime and undefeated with Bowe shut him out. He was a very good mover in the early 90's. His legs were gone against Vitali 8 years later and he had already picked up a loss to Kirk Johnson.
Bowe has a win against a top ATG in his prime and thats a rarity in HW boxing.

Its laughable to suggest Vitali has a better CV.

Bowe outside of Holyfield has no one else that screams top level. no real title defenses nothing remotely what Vitali accomplishe.we don't even know how bowe would actually do with the better HW's because Golota made a fool of him due to his longer reach and did it "TWICE" ?

[juggernaut666]

When somone commented that he had avoided the majority of fighters I looked at Wiki because I was suprised, intially that Bowe had that many fights. So you are probably correct. My bad.
That would have been Tyrone Biggs.

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[Burt Saxby]

Bowe outside of Holyfield has no one else that screams top level. no real title defenses nothing remotely what Vitali accomplishe.we don't even know how bowe would actually do with the better HW's because Golota made a fool of him due to his longer reach and did it "TWICE" ?

But he does have Holyfield , so why are you saying 'outside of Holyfield' ??

So what you believe is that Vitali would only rank higher if Bowe didn't have the Holyfield wins?

Unfortunately for your argument , he does have those wins.

[Weltschmerz]

We can discuss resumes, but Vitali is clearly a better fighter, more heart too.

[billeau2]

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[Zaroku]

Theres nothing to really rank Bowe on.Vitali has fought top contenders,bowe has not besides Holyfield and Larry Donald.You also cant rank a guy who held the belt much shorter over a dominating era champion.

Well put! I agree completely.

[Zaroku]

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[billeau2]

We can discuss resumes, but Vitali is clearly a better fighter, more heart too.

Depends what you mean by "better." Lets look at a few categories:

a) Performance. Vitalie has been more consistant, had a less mecurial career.

b)Resume. Its close here for sure. I would be inclined to go with Bowe by a hair....Vitalies best wins are against Peter and a cruiser moving up to heavy. Bowe doesn't sail by here though because he lost once to Holly and the Lewis fight showed Vitali was capable at that level.

c)Talent. Well neither guy has the chops to be ATG talented: Roy Jones and little arthur (jack Johnson) are two guys who may not have fought the best competition because of various factors...but one could plainly see the skills both men had in the ring, and their dominance confirmed these skills.

Of the two Bowe is often thought to be the greater loss because of how he squandered his alleged talents...But I was suprised to see that Bowe fought quite a bit....Too bad many of these fights came after Bowe had plainly declined. Vitalie may get short shift in this department: he dominated his competition and had better stats than little brother, including a higher KO percentage, less losses and fewer mistakes.

One of the differences is that Bowe was that rare animal that could work inside, he also had power in both hands, etc. Vitalie was more workmanlike...had a complete orthodox stand up style with excellent power and a good beard. Vitalie never faultered and when he stepped up he fought well against lewis.

Finally we come to the intangibles... On their best day? Perhaps rid**** Bowe would be the greater handful. Liston like reach, Marciano like in fighting, big, strong, raw boned....But Bowe never could really adapt in the ring could he? while his fights against Holyfield were exciting and showcased many of his talents he essentially fought the wrong fight, taking a lot of abuse in the process...giving Holly many opportunities. So Bowe really didn't quite have the ring intelligence, generalship of a fighter like Holyfield...a fighter who won the second fight by changing tactics and boxing Bowe.

With Vitali we have consistancy, suprising strength and decent mobility. Vitali had excellent power. But.... heart...If Ali can fight with a broken jaw why couldn't he find a way against Byrd? And with all his power why couldn't he take a fat out of shape lewis out? That would have given him his rematch!

So imo its a toss up. Neither guy quite touched greatness, both guys were very talented, one guy was consistant the other had a twilight but like Iquirus....when his wings touched the sun he came down crashing. This would have been a tremendous fight both guys at their best!

[Weltschmerz]

Depends what you mean by "better." Lets look at a few categories:

a) Performance. Vitalie has been more consistant, had a less mecurial career.

b)Resume. Its close here for sure. I would be inclined to go with Bowe by a hair....Vitalies best wins are against Peter and a cruiser moving up to heavy. Bowe doesn't sail by here though because he lost once to Holly and the Lewis fight showed Vitali was capable at that level.

c)Talent. Well neither guy has the chops to be ATG talented: Roy Jones and little arthur (jack Johnson) are two guys who may not have fought the best competition because of various factors...but one could plainly see the skills both men had in the ring, and their dominance confirmed these skills.

Of the two Bowe is often thought to be the greater loss because of how he squandered his alleged talents...But I was suprised to see that Bowe fought quite a bit....Too bad many of these fights came after Bowe had plainly declined. Vitalie may get short shift in this department: he dominated his competition and had better stats than little brother, including a higher KO percentage, less losses and fewer mistakes.

One of the differences is that Bowe was that rare animal that could work inside, he also had power in both hands, etc. Vitalie was more workmanlike...had a complete orthodox stand up style with excellent power and a good beard. Vitalie never faultered and when he stepped up he fought well against lewis.

Finally we come to the intangibles... On their best day? Perhaps rid**** Bowe would be the greater handful. Liston like reach, Marciano like in fighting, big, strong, raw boned....But Bowe never could really adapt in the ring could he? while his fights against Holyfield were exciting and showcased many of his talents he essentially fought the wrong fight, taking a lot of abuse in the process...giving Holly many opportunities. So Bowe really didn't quite have the ring intelligence, generalship of a fighter like Holyfield...a fighter who won the second fight by changing tactics and boxing Bowe.

With Vitali we have consistancy, suprising strength and decent mobility. Vitali had excellent power. But.... heart...If Ali can fight with a broken jaw why couldn't he find a way against Byrd? And with all his power why couldn't he take a fat out of shape lewis out? That would have given him his rematch!

So imo its a toss up. Neither guy quite touched greatness, both guys were very talented, one guy was consistant the other had a twilight but like Iquirus....when his wings touched the sun he came down crashing. This would have been a tremendous fight both guys at their best!

yeah, a H2H match up is a dream fight. One of the main things seperating them would be work ethic, professionalism and discipline, obviously Bowe had a lot of talent. But look how he squandered his life in fact, and look what Vitali did, and don't forget his 4 yr layoff during what would have been his definite prime as a fighter. His dominant comeback weighs heavy.