Rank "One & Done " HW champs

[sonnyboyx2]

its not remarkable at all. Most of those titles were alphabet soup. I think it shows great conviction to fight a live body instead of a mandatory that obviously poses no threat...such as is the case with jawney hump a leg ruiz and bird who was never a threat to lewis...also your leaving out other important details like the fact that lewis just happened to beat vitali klitsko and that he did not take an easy fight after klitsko but retired. If he was a pufter he would have fought a scrub and told vitali "sorry no rematch." but he didn't did he now sonny?

Lewis never ducked anyone...he avenged all his defeats. Good for him telling the organizations dictating mandatories where to stuff it. He would have beat ruiz and byrd the same night.

lol........

[joeandthebums]

No matter which way or how you want to twist and wriggle out of the facts.

So we do not go into detail regarding each potential contest and reasons why it did or did not materialise?

The bottom line is that Lewis refused to fight those governing body No1 contenders... Claiming those No1 contenders to be unworthy is ridiculous.

To a point I agree.

claiming Don King done this that and the other is ridiculous.

Don King movements were still very relevant during this time period.

Lewis abrogated his responsibilies as Champion by refusing to fight those No1 contenders.

Lewis was the undisputed champion, not just a titlist.

Some of your arguments our retrospective causes. You often state your feelings for those who champion Charley Burley in this manner, yet you fail to see you do the same in regards to Lennox Lewis opponents.

The current equivalent is the WBC ranking Amir Khan #1 to Floyd Mayweather Jr's Welterweight title. He has held that ranking since January 2015.

However instead of meeting his governing body #1 contender, Mayweather faced Pacquiao.

Which was the right move? Which fight was more legitimate in boxing fans opinion?

Next Mayweather met Andre Berto, the WBA #1 contender.

How was the reaction to this fight? Was it positive or negative? Was Berto a legitimate opponent for Mayweather from boxing fans opinion?

Without the details you fail to see the entire picture.

[soul_survivor]

Guys who won the lineal or undisputed HW title only to give it right back! Criteria are champs that mounted one or 0 title defenses and reigns that barely lasted a year.

Gentleman Corbett
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jess Willard
Gene Tunney
Max Schmelling
Jack Sharkey
Primo Carnera
Max Baer
Jim Braddock
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Igemar Johonson
Leon Spinks
Michael Spinks
Buster Douglas
Michael Moorer
Shannon Briggs
Hasim Rahman

Spinks had like 4 defenses over a period of 2 or 3 years.

Moorer went on to win the IBF version of the title and defend it multiple times then fight a unification against Holyfield.

Charles held the NBA version of the title, accepted as legitimate at the time for some 2 years and many defenses.

You're not following your own criteria.

[sonnyboyx2]

So we do not go into detail regarding each potential contest and reasons why it did or did not materialise?



To a point I agree.



Don King movements were still very relevant during this time period.



Lewis was the undisputed champion, not just a titlist.

Some of your arguments our retrospective causes. You often state your feelings for those who champion Charley Burley in this manner, yet you fail to see you do the same in regards to Lennox Lewis opponents.

The current equivalent is the WBC ranking Amir Khan #1 to Floyd Mayweather Jr's Welterweight title. He has held that ranking since January 2015.

However instead of meeting his governing body #1 contender, Mayweather faced Pacquiao.

Which was the right move? Which fight was more legitimate in boxing fans opinion?

Next Mayweather met Andre Berto, the WBA #1 contender.

How was the reaction to this fight? Was it positive or negative? Was Berto a legitimate opponent for Mayweather from boxing fans opinion?

Without the details you fail to see the entire picture.

I was awaiting your response with bated breath, yet it is very trivial indeed..

Charley Burley ~~ My comments on Charley Burley are very few and far between. I can only ever recall say, "Burley IMO is vastly overrated" and also rightly pointing out hoe Sugar Ray Robinson avoiding Burley was nothing but a modern day Myth..

I do not need to or want to, go into any kind of detail regarding each potential contest. Because i have already stated how Lewis abrogated his responsibilities as champion by refusing to fight the No1 contenders..

Your correct in that Lewis was The Undisputed Champion and he was stripped of all three title belts. (fact)

Don King was operating at around 25% of what he operated at in the 1980 to mid 90s...

Mayweather is not Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World.. I see Mayweather as being guilty as Lennox Lewis for systematically destroying the sport of boxing.. Between them, Lewis & Mayweather have ruined the sport by their refusal to face their No1 contenders and only choose to fight "Hand-picked" fighters.. Mayweather IMO was well aware of Pacquiao's shoulder injury (rotator cuff) months before their fight..just like Lewis was well aware of Mike Tyson's drug addiction, months before their fight.. IMO Lewis & Mayweather only agreed to fight due to injury & drug addiction... It is my opinion Mayweather would have losses on his record if he had faced his mandatory No1 contenders during his career. Cotto, Paul Williams, Mosely, Margarito, Pacquiao etc.. The same applies to Lewis, who if he had fought his No1 contenders and also the other champions of the 1993-2003 period..

You trying to compare Mayweather to Lewis is laughable.. Mayweather is a supereme champion, who could compete in almost any era of the sport in one or two of the many divisions he fought in...Lewis IMO would struggle to compete as a contender in any other era.

You ask me about Mayweather vs Berto ~ Sorry i had very little interest in the fight and never watched.. I have not watched much "Current Boxing" in the last couple of years, due to the fights always being so much of a mismatch, unlike 30yrs ago when The Best fought The Best..Mayweather has hand-picked his opponents for over a decade..

Alan Minter won the Undisputed World Middleweight Title from Vito Antuofermo June 1980.. The then governing bodies (WBA & WBC) gave Champion Minter 90 days to defend against No1 contender Marvin Hagler or be stripped of the title..Once Governing bodies stopped ordering 90 day mandatories, boxing started to die out as a top flight sport....

As i have pointed out to you on several occasions. I was closely following boxing during the 80s, 90s & 00s.. i was disapointed at the choices Lewis made each time he announced he was to fight. Lewis never chose to fight the best opponents available. He always chose to fight, exposed fighters who were on the slide... Lewis had many chances to fight Bowe, Holmes, Moorer, Tyson, Hide, Holyfield, Sanders, Wlad, Ruiz, Byrd, Roy Jones Jr who all held versions of the Heavyweight Title..Yet turned them all down, wanting nothing to do with any of them.. Lennox may well have beaten many of them, but he was not willing to take that chance. Lewis continued "hand-picking" his opponents right up to the end of his career, which resulted in him being stripped of every title belt. Which is disapointing for such a good fighter.

[joeandthebums]

I was awaiting your response with bated breath, yet it is very trivial indeed..

Yet you still failed to address my questions.

When the opportunity arises please feel free to address my previously posted questions.

What specific tests were Canadian boxers required to take circa 1989+? Were these part of their yearly check-up, pre/post-fight or took form of a 365 day Olympic style testing?

Do the UK not test their own licensed boxers in any form?

Or continue to ignore them.

Charley Burley ~~ My comments on Charley Burley are very few and far between. I can only ever recall say, "Burley IMO is vastly overrated" and also rightly pointing out hoe Sugar Ray Robinson avoiding Burley was nothing but a modern day Myth..

Incorrect.

Don King was operating at around 25% of what he operated at in the 1980 to mid 90s...

Chris Byrd, John Ruiz, Evander Holyfield... 25%?

Mayweather is not Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World..

Good spot.

Mayweather IMO was well aware of Pacquiao's shoulder injury (rotator cuff) months before their fight..

Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, said, "He threw a right hook in sparring 2 1/2 weeks ago and hurt his shoulder. (At one point) we were thinking about postponing the fight and so forth, but as the weeks went on it was getting better and stronger. I was happy with his performance and he was doing a lot better sparring, and I thought the progress was good enough and that's why we stayed with the fight."

Luckily for us you were there and watched tv, newspapers, magazines etc.

just like Lewis was well aware of Mike Tyson's drug addiction, months before their fight..

Lewis knew Tyson was no threat just like anybody with more than a passing interest in the sport. But the name still resonated so it was a contest Lewis needed to get his recognition from Jo public. Plus money was there for both of them.

You trying to compare Mayweather to Lewis is laughable..

Are the situations not comparable?

You ask me about Mayweather vs Berto ~ Sorry i had very little interest in the fight and never watched..

Is that in itself not a response to one of the questions I asked?

Once Governing bodies stopped ordering 90 day mandatories, boxing started to die out as a top flight sport....

Since the beginning of the sport then? This is not a modern occurance.

As i have pointed out to you on several occasions. I was closely following boxing during the 80s, 90s & 00s..

And now you're able to impart that wisdom, excellent for us.

[sonnyboyx2]

Yet you still failed to address my questions.

When the opportunity arises please feel free to address my previously posted questions.



Or continue to ignore them.



Incorrect.



Chris Byrd, John Ruiz, Evander Holyfield... 25%?



Good spot.



Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, said, "He threw a right hook in sparring 2 1/2 weeks ago and hurt his shoulder. (At one point) we were thinking about postponing the fight and so forth, but as the weeks went on it was getting better and stronger. I was happy with his performance and he was doing a lot better sparring, and I thought the progress was good enough and that's why we stayed with the fight."

Luckily for us you were there and watched tv, newspapers, magazines etc.



Lewis knew Tyson was no threat just like anybody with more than a passing interest in the sport. But the name still resonated so it was a contest Lewis needed to get his recognition from Jo public. Plus money was there for both of them.



Are the situations not comparable?



Is that in itself not a response to one of the questions I asked?



Since the beginning of the sport then? This is not a modern occurance.



And now you're able to impart that wisdom, excellent for us.

well Joe.. i read your replies here and was just about to set out in replying, then i came across your last comment. It is a comment i find very condescending.... so **** you you ****ing clown and do not reply to any post i ever post again on this forum as i made the mistake of unblocking you.

[joeandthebums]

well Joe.. i read your replies here and was just about to set out in replying

But would you of addressed;

What specific tests were Canadian boxers required to take circa 1989+? Were these part of their yearly check-up, pre/post-fight or took form of a 365 day Olympic style testing?

Do the UK not test their own licensed boxers in any form?

?

then i came across your last comment. It is a comment i find very condescending....

I'm glad you read the tone correctly as often with written communication it is difficult to get across.

so **** you you ****ing clown

Good vocabulary.

and do not reply to any post i ever post again on this forum as i made the mistake of unblocking you.

I may continue to post questions from statements you make in the hope you'll address them.

[Anthony342]

Wrong about losing every version of the title. Lewis was still WBC champion at the time he retired.

[Anthony342]

Is this only one and done champs? Because technically Ali would count, since he lost the title right after winning it against Spinks to Holmes. The Ring belt anyway.

[billeau2]

So we do not go into detail regarding each potential contest and reasons why it did or did not materialise?



To a point I agree.



Don King movements were still very relevant during this time period.



Lewis was the undisputed champion, not just a titlist.

Some of your arguments our retrospective causes. You often state your feelings for those who champion Charley Burley in this manner, yet you fail to see you do the same in regards to Lennox Lewis opponents.

The current equivalent is the WBC ranking Amir Khan #1 to Floyd Mayweather Jr's Welterweight title. He has held that ranking since January 2015.

However instead of meeting his governing body #1 contender, Mayweather faced Pacquiao.

Which was the right move? Which fight was more legitimate in boxing fans opinion?

Next Mayweather met Andre Berto, the WBA #1 contender.

How was the reaction to this fight? Was it positive or negative? Was Berto a legitimate opponent for Mayweather from boxing fans opinion?

Without the details you fail to see the entire picture.

Thats EXACTLY the point!!! I would add: When Klitscko decided to fight a UPS driver...while there were/are young lions around who are a real threat....and all he has to say is that he fought his mandatory...to hell with a mandatory when it is for alphabet soup recognition and when it is obviously not a legitimate fight...clean out the division and then fight the mandatory. Which is pretty much how Lewis ran the show. Instead of fighting the likes of Ruiz, or Byrd he fought Michael Grant who was percieved much the way Wilder is now a days. Lewis made it so up and commers got a chance and heavy weight fans did not have to sit around with names like joshua, Fury, Wilder, etc wondering if these guys could carry the day.

Sonny asks people to believe that just because a guy has titles he is the best when this is obviously not the case. Its the same thing as people who want to say mayweather has superior wins to Marciano because of catch weight shopping and fighting "champions." The state sanctioning authorities are not based on talent, they are based on fighers fighting who they are told to fight. Propping up these bogus champions is pure folly.

Sonny uses this argument when it suites him, as Joe says and you know what? I give Sonny that much: some people actually always, and whole heartedly believe that fighting for alphabet soup and bogus catchweight championships means a fighter has attained something special. At least with Sony this is part of his haterade, i.e it is an argument for convenience.

Lets all remember somethiing people: CHARLIE Z HAS A CHAMPIONSHIP BELT! I guess if Mayweather fought him he would have another championship belt yes?