ATG's List by McGoorty - A Hall of Fame

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I am not sure as to Chavez's best weight but of course he did enough to deserve it. thanks for your nice words, I have been following boxing history for about 20 years at least. I did have a few names I am still tempted to include in my two lists so far but not sure I could add anyone that could be a contender for the Top 100........ Griffo and Les Darcy and Peter Jackson are certainties to be in my top 100, Griffo will rank very high, indeed it will shock many but here is the rub when it comes to McGoorty.... mcGoorty pays great respect to old time experts, especially the fighter opinions of who they think were great and the trainers like Ray Arcel... so much so that I value their opinions higher than our revered posters here. Si keeping this in mind McGoorty wants opinions that are fair, I do understand we have many here who have very solid opinions but so do I...... I have been accused of being too big a fan of Darcy here but I can back up all my words on him with facts and I think he is not ever rated as high as he deserves but we all have our favourites, I know many here will wanna roast me if I dare to not have Duran or a Greb in my top ten or to rate Hagler a bit overrated.... BUT McGOORTY DOES DARE...... as for say.... hagler, I love watching him fight but sadly his resume is not as good as some others so I have a few names above him at Middleweight but hey... it is maybe the deepest division of them all.

You may not know this but 95 per cent or so of the names in those two lists were straight off the top of my head so I still have to look a bit deeper....... maybe a guy like Chuck Davey deserves to be on the list but if not he still deserves a mention...... <<<< and there it is... LOL........ oh yeah,,, BTW, in your opinion should I have included Aaron Pryor ?... i don't know that much about him except that he was a goer.

I thought I had seen Pryor in the list. I think he deserves a place on a list of this length. I would have a hard time rating him significantly below Zoo, Oscar, Shane or Tito.

And yes your knowledge is deep. I will use this list to learn about more old timers I did not know about!

[McGoorty]

I thought I had seen Pryor in the list. I think he deserves a place on a list of this length. I would have a hard time rating him significantly below Zoo, Oscar, Shane or Tito.

And yes your knowledge is deep. I will use this list to learn about more old timers I did not know about!

Thanks mate, glad I have helped

[McGoorty]

Now I gotta ask you guys, looking at all the names up there is it any wonder why no one can ever agree on an all time top 100 ?..... so many of these guys beat the guy who beat the guy who beat them it's not funny. That's why I have only two or three guys from the "murderers row listed because the others tend to cancel each other out. The two murderers row guys I have there I feel are better enough than the rest as to be outstanding enough to be here. I try to avoid fighters who have way too many losses to just simply explain away. I suppose to make a top 100 I have to really dig deep into these resume's and watch some more film of those I am less familiar with.
First of all can some of you give me 20 names as to who you think would be the first to go here and why.

[McGoorty]

You have left off Juan manual marquez, and if darchiyan is on the list, then doņaire has to be on it..

Also some possible borderline guys
Tito trinidad
Donald curry
Wilfredo benitez

Those borderline guys I thought about.... Not sure about Curry but Benitez and Trinidad sure are right there on the borderline, I could have included both but then I would have needed at least two or three more names from each decade or more, if I include Benitez for instance I would need to include Sammy Angott and others like him

[McGoorty]

I had to go back to do an edit on the big guys list.... I had somehow overlooked Sam McVea who fought in probably the strongest ever period for heavyweights, even though most top guys were not heavyweights by today's standards

[McGoorty]

Just added another i overlooked and SO DID ALL OF YOU TOO..... lol.... Jimmy Carter.

[NChristo]

The Little Blokes

[LEFT]Young Griffo
Terrible Terry McGovern
Jimmy Wilde
George Dixon
Sandy Saddler
Kid Chocolate
Pancho Villa
Willie Pep
Hiroshi Kobayashi
Benny Bass
Azumah Nelson
Manny Paquiao
Flash Elorde
Abe Attell
Vicente Saldivar
Salvadore Sanchez
Johnny Famechon
Battling Battalino
Sugar Ramos
Ruben Olivares
Jim Driscoll
Johnny Kilbane
Eder Jofre
Eusebio Pedroza
Jeff Fenech
Barry McGuigan
"The Scotch Wop" Johnny Dundee
Kid Kaplan
Baby Arizmendi
Jose Legra
Daniel Zaragoza
Tracey Harris Patterson
Wilfredo Gomez
Wilfredo Vasquez[LEFT]

Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Manuel Ortiz
Fighting Harada
Jimmy Carruthers
Lionel Rose
Carlos Zarate
Sixto Escobar
Kid Williams
Jeff Chandler
Pete Herman
Joe Lynch
Benny Lynch
Lupe Pintor
Panama Al Brown
Pone Kingpetch
Vic Darchinyan
Peter Kane
Midget Wolgast
Khaosai Galaxy
Fidel LaBarba
Pascual Perez

Needs Orlando Canizales, Jung Koo-Chang, Ricardo Lopez and Yoko Gushiken.

[soul_survivor]

You have left off Juan manual marquez, and if darchiyan is on the list, then doņaire has to be on it..

Also some possible borderline guys
Tito trinidad
Donald curry
Wilfredo benitez

Those two names shouldn't even be borderline if he's going to make a top 200. I can understand a top 50 (then again he is including guys like Darcey and Griffo) so again, those names HAVE to be on a list like that.

[soul_survivor]

Just added another i overlooked and SO DID ALL OF YOU TOO..... lol.... Jimmy Carter.

good little fighter! was in the world lightweight mix for a long time.

[McGoorty]

Those two names shouldn't even be borderline if he's going to make a top 200. I can understand a top 50 (then again he is including guys like Darcey and Griffo) so again, those names HAVE to be on a list like that.

What is your point about Griffo and Darcy ??? they are better than all those guys hands down.