Originally posted by Mr.DagoWop
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Hagler was Absolutely the WEAKEST of the Big 4.
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Originally posted by Steve plunger View PostI never got whooped in the gym mongo lol .. again your wrong dago....some athletes never learn you just said am I right ? But you just said if you dedicate and train really hard that you can learn and make it to the top ...make up your mind......now don't make this into some sort of dedication and capacity argument....Leonard had more natural ability in the ring than 99 percent of the fighters out there...his natural ability was superior to haglers , speed, movement , timing and determination, killer instinct ... Leonard had natural talent...that's why Leonard ranks in the top 3 of the most gifted fighters of the last 40 years....not hagler......I know your type your the guy from outside the ring and that's about it......now if your trying to make it sound that I never said you didn't need to harness your ability or dedicate your time and bring the best out of it then your a bigger dummy that I thought .....99 percent of fighters could train 10 years in a gym and never possess the kind of skill Leonard had ...that's a natural talent for the sport and if you will god given...end of subject dago...get back to writing music
You only provided a blanket statement and said that every all time great fighter you could think of had God given talent. God given talent is being immediately good at something. You are making it out to be this common thing.
Let me ask you... who is more naturally talented Darnell Boone or Adonis Stevenson? Forget for a second about all time great and just focus on these two fighters.
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Originally posted by Steve plunger View PostYou call me an idiot for start when we haven't even spoken before ....that's a start isn't it ...I don't mind someone having a different opinion and saying I'm wrong but when you throw that at me I will throw something back right at you .
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Originally posted by PivotandRoll View PostI think anyone who believes in god is an idiot, so yes. Try not to repeat Floyd's horse****e if you don't want to be called on it.
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Originally posted by Mr.DagoWop View PostThe greatest p4p fighter the REAL Sugar Ray wasn't naturally gifted. That immediately defeats your argument buddy boy. I don't understand why you keep intentionally trying to change what I said when it's in writing lol not gonna work well for you. The difference between a club fighter and an all time great has many factors. Trainer, management, etc. all of these things come into play. Some fighters have talent but didn't have the right backing so that talent couldn't grow.
You only provided a blanket statement and said that every all time great fighter you could think of had God given talent. God given talent is being immediately good at something. You are making it out to be this common thing.
Let me ask you... who is more naturally talented Darnell Boone or Adonis Stevenson? Forget for a second about all time great and just focus on these two fighters.
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Originally posted by Steve plunger View PostI didn't say every all time great at all so don't make words up..I said the likes of Robinson,Leonard,Ali,Jones,mayweather are more naturally gifted than 99% of other boxers and that's a fact..there special boxers than cannot be copied or replicated by other fighters so in turn they have a gift.....there born to be boxers and that's why they are top of the tree...look Leonard was more naturally skilled and gifted than hagler and that's a fact...u just don't like it..as for Boone or Stevenson it's irrelevant as there not considered special by the boxing world..this was a topic about one of the modern greats of the sport...
Like I said and provided evidence of, Robinson wasn't naturally gifted. A fighter can only be as good as their teacher. Some teachers have a wider knowledge than others. The ability to comprehend and therefore incorporate what has been learned equals a great fighter. One trainer might have a lot of boxing knowledge but not all and another might have that little bit extra for that fighter to grow and become great. No fighter save for Graziano and a few others walked into the gym a fighter.
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Originally posted by Steve plunger View PostU can't have it both ways Ray ....Ray was also guided to become a future champion so he had to have his career the right way...20 fights is 20 fights whether it's hagler or leonard so if your gonna throw stones at Ray then do it with hagler as well...secondly Ray boxed randy shields,floyd mayweather snr and Marcos Geraldo in his 22nd fight and Geraldo went on to face marvin hagler and took his the full distance....i see nothing in vito antuerfermo except a come forward and take loads of punches with his face , he also lacked any kind of punching power for a world class middlweight....let me ask you a question Ray...ali,robinson,louis,duran,leonard,mayweather, holmes,lewis,chavez never lost or Drew to a fringe contender like hagler did ...why is that ? ... As I have always said leonard was a btter all round boxer than hagler...his record shows, he moved up in weight, he beat 4 of the greates fighters if the last 50 years..and he came back to beat hagler at haglers weight after having one fight in 5 years....leonard would have beaten hagler if he never suffered an eye injury in 1982 but he did and we was robbed of that fight...that's my view and most people rate leonard higher than hagler in all time p4p rankings
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Originally posted by Anthony342 View PostLeonard may be better, but he still waited until Hagler was well past prime to fight him. He himself even admits that. He could have fought Hagler in 1984, when he made his first comeback, but opted to retire again and wait 3 more years for Hagler to slow down enough after some more battles to fight him. Most believe if this fight had happened sooner, Hagler would've won, most likely a UD, possibly late TKO, so that's why people say they think Hagler is better.Last edited by The plunger man; 05-01-2016, 04:55 PM.
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Originally posted by Mr.DagoWop View PostA fighter who rose to the top of the light heavyweight division isn't special? Answer the question or unclog my toilet bich like you were made to.
Like I said and provided evidence of, Robinson wasn't naturally gifted. A fighter can only be as good as their teacher. Some teachers have a wider knowledge than others. The ability to comprehend and therefore incorporate what has been learned equals a great fighter. One trainer might have a lot of boxing knowledge but not all and another might have that little bit extra for that fighter to grow and become great. No fighter save for Graziano and a few others walked into the gym a fighter.
A trainer no matter how good cannot make you throw 5 punches a second...that's inside you you ****in dummy ....no trainer can give you a killer instinct ..that's inside you....some fighters are just more gifted that others and that's in all walks of life ...levels
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