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  • #41
    So many good middleweights...I may have to turn this project over to someone else.

    Who knows? I might do another one of these soon. It's best to space them though, or they can grow stale.

    As for Tyson vs. Godfrey: While Tyson had trouble knocking out big, tall men, he didn't have trouble hitting them. He still won the majority of such fights even if by decision. Despite his ability to knock people out like it was his job (pun fully intended), he could do enough in the clinches and behind the jab to steal a decision here and there. Also, a tall fighter tends to throw the jab and back up, or clinch. While the clinches held Mike at bay, I have to disagree with your earlier comments pertaining to his lack of effort in a clinch. After he had won the title...yeah, he basically waited for the refs to pull apart the tangled mess. When he was hungry and ambitious, however, he would circle his arms in a down-and-outward motion to pull his opponents' hands away from their body. He would then proceed to fire off alternating shots to devastating effect, or even sneak an uppercut upstairs. When a fighter backs up and away from a bully style fighter like Mike, it invites a looping or wide hook shock, a la Frazier vs. Ali I. Trainers often report that they get nervous when they watch their fighter lean away from a punch, or back up after a jab or short exchange. While that's a person's instinctive reaction, it's certainly not the best course of action against a fighter of this style who possesses such explosiveness.

    For these reasons, and various others, I didn't see Godfrey coming out on top against Tyson; I even went on that schpeal about Ali vs. Tyson for similar reasons. I guess I will be a debater ( ) about this topic forever.

    Props to K-DOGG for intelligent reporting in the field. Signing off for now, as I am way too frieking tired to continue...

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    • #42
      Originally posted by butterfly1964
      after the second round...

      1. Muhammad Ali vs. 2. Jack Dempsey(ali tko11)

      4. Evander Holyfield vs. 3. Joe Frazier(frazier ko14)

      1. Joe Louis vs. 2. George Foreman(foreman ko6)

      1. Larry Holmes vs. 2. Sonny Liston(liston ko15)

      1. Muhammad Ali vs. 3. Joe Frazier

      2. George Foreman vs. 2. Sonny Liston

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      • #43
        Originally posted by butterfly1964
        1. Muhammad Ali vs. 3. Joe Frazier(ali ud15)

        2. George Foreman vs. 2. Sonny Liston(liston ko10)

        1. Muhammad Ali vs. 2. Sonny Liston

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        • #44
          Originally posted by butterfly1964 View Post
          1. Muhammad Ali vs. 2. Sonny Liston
          The winner, IMO, Muhammad Ali!

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          • #45
            I feel as though I am ready to take this project on once more, and since this thread was so recently *bumped*, I can get it started here. Right now, please help me compile a top 64 all-time heavyweight's list, which I will form the brackets from, and post the pairings (possibly in a new thread).

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            • #46
              *BUMP* Since March Madness is about to start, and 98743598734 threads were posted in the last two days.

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              • #47
                Okay, so I've jumped ahead to the Sweet 16. After lots of videos and research, I've reached this stage in the tournament. I apologize in advance for skipping what would have been an interesting first few rounds.

                Ali vs. Dempsey
                Walcott vs. Holmes

                Louis vs. Johnson
                Frazier vs. Holyfield

                [OTHER SIDE]

                Marciano vs. Bowe
                Lewis vs. Liston

                Foreman vs. Tunney
                Tyson vs. Patterson


                Please PM me your votes, along with any interesting theories and details, and maybe we can get this rolling again. I will write fiction along side a few of these fights to go with the votes; keep in mind, they are all 12 round contests.

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