Mike McCallum vs. Marvin Hagler.

[robertzimmerman]

Listen sonny, if you want to go question for question (just as long as you leave your two best friends boxrec and Google behind) I'd happily wipe the floor with you at any boxing trivia. As mentioned previously by Ray, marvin had one of the best resumes going. Mike McCalum is a guy people who don't know anything about boxing like to name drop to make them appear that they know something about boxing. He was the best 154 pounder but that has been a weak and not an old division. Why would hagler move up 15 pounds (175 light heavy) to fight Braxton (actually it's qawi or are we being ignorant and calling ali clay now?) when he had great competition around his weight for much more money. U say willie the worm like he was a bum, he was a great fighter, it was a different era then and it was much stiffer competition. You name drop jones jr and toney like he beat them? HaHa (but to be honest I and neither u should count that he was old), curry he koed but so did others, jackson was a great puncher, but if great punchers meant everything then earnie shavers would have been world champ (but for his era - see my point?). Herol graham deserved the decision against mccalum, also Watson was edging him up until mccalum rallied. Hamsho was a great brawler, who had a steel chin, southpaw and threw a lot of punches - again don't look at just records, look at the actual fighters. You should change your name from sonnyboy to boxrecboy. Anyway, this is boring because it's subjective, I respect your opinion because you're entitled to one, but not your knowledge.

It's baffling how you don't respect his knowledge whilst also believing that Marvin would have knocked Mike out.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

This fight should have happened in the mid-1980s, Hagler sort of avoided it. I would have picked Hagler back then, but McCallum now. I feel McCallum was the better alround tactician, he fought the better opposition and would have been a clear winner.

Mccallum was fighting at 154 in the mid 80s. Hagler was fighting Duran, Hearns, and Mugabi at that time. By the time Mccallum went to 160, Hagler was retired or waiting for a Leonard rematch.

[Ray Corso]

I like Mike to give Hagler a good fight but I think he falls short. Mike has good experience in his youth against top tier competition on the national level in the mid 70s. He was a regional & national champ and started off with Georgie Benton as his trainer and thats all a fighter needs to jump start his career.
He had good size and an could be an awkward style for some guys but again Hagler using two sides (switching) to figure him out and being able to box and counter well would give him a decided edge for me.
Being at 154 for the better part of his prime isn't that much of a disadvantage because Hagler could weigh 158 and be tip top. Hagler would give a few inches in height to Mike too. Good fight!

Ray

[Ben Bolt]

I like Mike to give Hagler a good fight but I think he falls short. Hagler using two sides (switching) to figure him out and being able to box and counter well would give him a decided edge for me. Ray

Mike is one of my all-time favorites. Sadly, though, I agree with you on this.

[billeau2]

Neither man is fast but Hagler has McCallum when it comes to hand and foot speed and i think that would clinch it for him.

Fights between two technically superb guys like this are often decided by those little differences in speed. Power comes into play usually also however no one is knocking out Hagler.

Bingo. To an extent, even though Mike was past it by then, this is how Roy prevailed...He started to get there first and more often. Hagler was no Jones in the speed department but he was fast enough to get to Mike more than Mike to him.

I do think this fight is closer than some give credit.

[sonnyboyx2]

I like Mike to give Hagler a good fight but I think he falls short. Mike has good experience in his youth against top tier competition on the national level in the mid 70s. He was a regional & national champ and started off with Georgie Benton as his trainer and thats all a fighter needs to jump start his career.
He had good size and an could be an awkward style for some guys but again Hagler using two sides (switching) to figure him out and being able to box and counter well would give him a decided edge for me.
Being at 154 for the better part of his prime isn't that much of a disadvantage because Hagler could weigh 158 and be tip top. Hagler would give a few inches in height to Mike too. Good fight!

Ray

I dont think Hagler (switching) would make much of an advantage for him, it could be a disadvantage like against Leonard. McCallum is being underestimated here. What kind of fight will Marvin Hagler fight?... will it be "All out aggresion" like against Minter & Hearns? ..or will it be tactical boxing, like he did with Duran, Leonard & Hamsho?... McCallum would in my opinion, deal with whatever Hagler brought to the table. Julian Jackson brought "All out Aggression". Don Curry, McCrory, Watson, Graham, Kalambay, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney all brought their "A Game" of tactical boxing..

Depending what distance the fight was fought 12rds or 15rds.. Marvin boasted many times that he was a 15rd fighter. Yet the only 2 times he fought 15rds Hagler lost rounds 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 on all judges scorecards.. it would be curtains for him against McCallum.

Height - McCallum
reach - McCallum
best trainer - McCallum

[just the facts]

People are not adequately appreciating Sonny's sense of humor. No man could be serious here. Given that, I think he is doing a great job. I mean he has me laughing. Many of his posts are satires on ignorance, and I appreciate them.

I get it now, Sonny is an idiot to be laughed at and when he tries to convince everyone that great fighters (Hagler, L Lewis, S Sanchez) aren't great but bums instead, we should find humor instead of being offended by the ravings of the village idiot.

[Ray Corso]

I like Benton & Futch they were outstanding trainers and very good at evaluations when in the corner. They get the nod 95% of the time in any fight. However the Haglers corner was unique in that the Petronelli Brothers
were also outstanding with Hagler, they were excellant in the gym and were also excellant at opponents evaluating.
I worked against all of the above and with Futch once or twice. The Petronelli's had a few amateur fighters who competed in Region 1 (New England) which was my region and their kids were always in shape and competitive!

Very very good boxing skills and minds!
Ray

[sonnyboyx2]

I get it now, Sonny is an idiot to be laughed at and when he tries to convince everyone that great fighters (Hagler, L Lewis, S Sanchez) aren't great but bums instead, we should find humor instead of being offended by the ravings of the village idiot.

You don't get nothing. Lewis, Hagler & Sanchez have always been "GREAT FIGHTERS" in my opinion, just not as great a fighter as many other "Great Fighters" in their weight divisions. As for Village Idiot, well again your wrong. The only Village Idiot, halfwit is yourself. You are known throughout the entire forum as a clown. Your ignorence and ******ity are legend, your a first class plonker whose knowledge of boxing is laughable. You post under the handle "Just the Facts" :blow: only everything you post is garbage and only factual in your own pea-brain LOL .... I have obviously posted comments which you are unable to address, due to your non existent boxing knowledge LOL.. i have obviously brought this match-up to be a very close call, between Hagler vs McCallum. So because you don't have the intelligence or knowledge of this sport to be able to debate. You have decided to personally try to ridicule me as a person, yet you don't know me. You don't have a clue who i am LOL... you are a first class clown!

I looked up your profile and found you have never started a single thread.. LOL ... that tells me all i need to know about your boxing knowledge. You post in Non-Stop Boxing forum with the youngsters in there. (12-15yrs)... run along you foolish little boy, your mummy has your school uniform to wash ..

[sonnyboyx2]

I like Benton & Futch they were outstanding trainers and very good at evaluations when in the corner. They get the nod 95% of the time in any fight. However the Haglers corner was unique in that the Petronelli Brothers
were also outstanding with Hagler, they were excellant in the gym and were also excellant at opponents evaluating.
I worked against all of the above and with Futch once or twice. The Petronelli's had a few amateur fighters who competed in Region 1 (New England) which was my region and their kids were always in shape and competitive!

Very very good boxing skills and minds!
Ray

Hagler and the Petronelli's, bring nothing to the dance Futch, Lou Duva & Benton would have trouble dealing with.