What did Angelo Dundee have against weight training?

[billeau2]

I didnt bring MMA into it ,that was your knuckle head friend billy boy,however MMA fitness for cardio would help along with some strength.
programs for increase punching.

Im disagreeing with Dundee ,only an uneducated person would agree with him,Sports science today was not around then,and Dundee was more of an advisor type coach,personally i think in general he was some what limited in the actual training department ,but lets stick to the topic .....those who dont use weight training areonly cheating themselves ,you dont need this forum if you dont believe me there are countless articles and documents on the net ,myself have lifted over 25 years and even at my age power and form have only improved ,i have experiance on the subject weather you wish to listen doesnt reflect on me ,thats on you.The best modern fighter to go full throttle with them was Holyfield,who was even more balanced as a fighter than prime Tyson ,again its not that you need weights in boxing ,think how much better the ones who didnt lift would have been ,there is a differance between strength for punching and weight lifting ,you do not get worse when you are stronger ,anyone who argues that is out dated.

There most certainly were scientific methods.... There were weights as well. And the fighters you mention might well have any gains you claim because of steriod use and not lifting per se. You are sadly mistaken in your belief that weights were not used in boxing and in your belief that a sustained use of weights to develop boxing skill is the most efficient way to do so.... The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. "The one's who didn't lift" could throw more punches and go more rounds, but your dumbazz thinks this is only because of size.

[Ray Corso]

jugernutz.................."Im disagreeing with Dundee ,only an uneducated person would agree with him,Sports science today was not around then,and Dundee was more of an advisor type coach,personally i think in general he was some what limited in the actual training department"....Really

Fighter under Dundee;
Carmen Basilo
Luiz Rodriquez
Willie Pastrano
Ralph Dupas
Jose Naples
Pinklon Thomas
Trevor Berbick
Jimmy Ellis
Wilfredo Gomez
Mick Nunn
Sugar Ramos
.........ALL World Champions;
....working as the Chief second for Ali & Leonard and was a consultant to
their gym trainers and came in to the gym to observe sparring.
Dundee was an active trainer prior to his recognition as a counsultant.

Jugernutz if you knew your history you'd know that Dundee started in Stillmans Gym and worked under Ray Arcel & Chickie Fererra and Charlie Goldman. There was and still IS NO better place on Earth to learn how to box and how to teach boxing!
In 1950 the 5th Street Gym was opened in Miami by Dundees brother Chris who promoted boxing in the south and many fighters called it home.

You insult the great people in boxing, you insult the dead too, you must a punk and a lil' *****! Guess you weren't raised with respect at the front!

Ray.

[emmastone019]

So lifting weights in a conventional sense takes training time away from an athlete. Grappling for 10 minutes will show you how little weight training in conventional sense really helps one to get stronger.... Idiots like Jug head still believe that doing squats and benchpresses will make an athlete perform better and if he were right James Toney, fatman would not be throwing more punchers per a round than a guy like Rahman who obviously lifted weights.

As a supplement to build strength weights can be useful, and used like an althlete should: maximum intensity, low reps, to muscle failure, weights can build strength to a degree. But the ideal fighting man is still the man who does rounds incorporates economy of motion, and has little extra mass.

[The Old LefHook]

Anyone using Marciano as a proponent for boxers weight training is misguided. For a brief period before he turned pro, the Rock did an hour a day of weights. He dropped the routine out of musclebound dread.

Goldman did not want the weights either. Rock put on muscle mass just by lifting his teacup, and Charlie wanted to preserve his speed and ability to pursue. Any picture of Rock working a dumbell is purely promotional, if there is one.

[juggernaut666]

Anyone using Marciano as a proponent for boxers weight training is misguided. For a brief period before he turned pro, the Rock did an hour a day of weights. He dropped the routine out of musclebound dread.

Goldman did not want the weights either. Rock put on muscle mass just by lifting his teacup, and Charlie wanted to preserve his speed and ability to pursue. Any picture of Rock working a dumbell is purely promotional, if there is one.

Rock is as good example..the smear campaighn can continue however the idiots who follow corso will only limit themselves?Ive already learned I am dealing with limited brain capacity and my knowledge shouldnrt realyy be shared to other imbeciles! ...?Have at it...lmao! if you look at duneddes fightwers he was not the sole trainer he was ADVISOR,,mr CORSO is it ...I twell you what I knew dundees trionees ..and if you wish will...meet and actually post my where abouts....the fact is Dundee is a nit wit and the sole reason ali had a shorter career.......corso the legernd ?????yea still waiting!Guys like corso don't exist...I DO!

[juggernaut666]

There most certainly were scientific methods.... There were weights as well. And the fighters you mention might well have any gains you claim because of steriod use and not lifting per se. You are sadly mistaken in your belief that weights were not used in boxing and in your belief that a sustained use of weights to develop boxing skill is the most efficient way to do so.... The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. "The one's who didn't lift" could throw more punches and go more rounds, but your dumbazz thinks this is only because of size.

there were no science involved in boxing until the 80's ...******...that's where they were applied to actual fighting and even then were not there....you werent an athlete and what are you going to do when I reveal myself in the very near futue...you idiot?My assumption is you will run...since im in your area ..billy boy...cant wait until you DELETE your user name.......

[juggernaut666]

Useful sstrength is useful strength it applies to all endevours....Its not MMA, or rock climbing it is the way fighters trained and many train today. You are just too much of a simp to get the idea so you desperately troll for anyone who might buy your ******ity on a stick. All fighters train for useful strength, which is why you see pilates, working with big objects being thrown around, Floyd swinging a hammer....but but thats only in MMA! Dumbazz does Floyd do MMA? Dkd Dempsey or Bauer do MMA when they threw things around to develop muscle strength?

You are truly ****** beyond belief. Boxers also train to develop strength. Thats why they would consider weights in the first place you idiot!

your such an idiot that when someone tries to present an idea using examples that apply across disciplines you try to protest because your brain cannot grok examples that are not specific to your own limited understanding, so you ridicule the notion of speaking intelligently about the subject.

Just because you are a simp does not mean others cannot understand general concepts and examples....go grow a thumb! And stop putting your ****** tinged words in my mouth. I never said anything about weights other than they are not the most efficient means of developing strength when used over long durations....I even explained why but its flying way over your head... Duration is in direct opposition to intensity. Athletes need maximum intensity to exhaust the muscle groups so they have time to apply themselves to their craft.

This was a real problem that florida football coaches dealt with and worked on with Jones and Darcey of Nautilus fame. Some of their ideas revolutionized fitness in solving this problem...what problem have you ever solved?

Keep following me Idiot..i actually compete...you doid nothong but iterate what was said that's of value...hey im around the N.y area whwer are you...i'lll gladly show you techniques and perminatley kick your AZZ off this forum...how about that?loser LEAVERS ...i'll even let you pick the place in N.y soince I know that's where you are...but evey idiotic post you posted gets DELETED!

[Ray Corso]

You seem a little "upset" boy? Have you run out of booze or some snot drug you use that makes you more ignorant than you are?
Don't forget to reveal;

Wlad spar partner you KO'd!
Your daddy's name and titles!
Your uncle who trained Bowe!


Just another :wt: fool who can't admitt when he's wrong.
Ray

[The Old LefHook]

Billy, someone wants to meet you in the subway as a train goes by.

[Anthony342]

Well what fights are you refering to? Heavyweights today are heavier ,back in those 15 rounders fighters weighed anywhere from 180 to 200 on average ......today they weigh 235 /24 0 on average thats a few weight class jump.Bigger guys are going to use more energy and throw less punches but thats reality.....guys like Corso cant differentiate the different mechanics of HW's over 215 ,hes practically incapable of it.

Going 12 rounds anyway doesnt mean less punches are thrown ,it actually forces the fighters to thromore punches without coasting those extra rounds ,it puts more pressure for them in 12 than 15.......not that 15 really matters look up all the 15 rounders that actually went 15 you will see most dont go past 12.

The concept of less rounds and shorter rounds would make fighters fight harder and faster ,this is the blue print for big knock out boxing promotings and was for the Toughman contests ......Make boxing 10 rounds with 2 minutes each ,you would see knock outs almost always. ,at least by 50%.Throw out the 10/12 ounce gloves and use the less padded 6/8 ounces and you would see an entire new sport .

Nah, leave the 2 minute rounds for the women boxers.