What did Angelo Dundee have against weight training?

[Anthony342]

Because it proves you don't need a muscular physique to dominate as a fighter. Plus boxers grapple at times too. No need to be ****phobic.

And yeah, weight training helps, if used right.

[juggernaut666]

Why are we talking about that grappling bs style when this is a boxing forum?

Because billy boy thought it was relevant to punching power ,due to gracies didnt lift weights..... Anthonys a good poster ,billy boy is an inferior ,insecure fool who has to constantly throw curve balls around here in the HOPE it makes him look smart!

[juggernaut666]

Ok simp lets try one more time for the road: Athletes have ime restraints, so it does matter what routines will most efficiently work and develop the right capacities in the ring. To spend two hours lifting weights might take too much training time away from other activities. Your first paragraph is baffling in how it essentially says nothing.

Its not that weight training will or will not help, nor is it that squats will develop...its a question of is there a more efficient routine available? are there parameters a fighter wants to avoid? Fighters can be grapplers or strikers....idiot!!!! MMA guys do both....idiot!!!!!

Juggy GO TO NIGHTSCHOOL AND YOU MIGHT LOSE YOUR TAIL AND EVEN GROW A THUMB!!!!!

If you really think 2 hours of weight training shatters performance it only backs up what i have known ,that being youve never once were in any sports and here you are still playing the role of fool by reiterating your OPINIONS which do not apply to the real world no one even mentioned about how long one should lift anyway,your dumb azz as usual made that a separate topic....athletes have time restraints ,really???????? :wank: The other garbage you wrote has NOTHING to do with the simple question of will weight training help a boxer you basically switched up the stupidity by stating what i have already said about how weight training helps because you had nothing more to say and basically took what Corso has said already you nit wit , ,now continue onward confusing the topic with,nautilus machines,college football,MMA grapplers ,time restraints, routines for other sports ,me,etc. etc.. only the fools who are actually listening to your b.s are dumber than you are...

[juggernaut666]

Because it proves you don't need a muscular physique to dominate as a fighter. Plus boxers grapple at times too. No need to be ****phobic.

And yeah, weight training helps, if used right.

Lifing for strength and weight training in general is not an option for an elite MMA fighter like it is for a boxer,the clinch will almost always take place and this is where usually the physically stronger will control the fight unlike boxing where they have a ref separate them...MMAis physically different and striking in MMA cannot be compared to boxing as you need physical more strength to wrestle /grapple.....boxing needs to be more fluid and less muscular in general to throw continuous punches for prolonged periods and to keep the hands and shoulders elevated for defense as blood will quickly target the arm and fatigue them because of it.
You dont need to be muscular to win in either sport ,but gracie has nothing to with the topic of weights in boxing,you dont grow by weight lifting you grow by consuming more calories if one weight trains without changing calorie intake you get stronger but wont gain weight......your boy Marciano there i have read lifted weights ,wasnt he known for endless cardio and the strongest puncher of his era?Even if its not the case as you stated lifting correctly helps if done right only foolish trolls with failed agendas will continue with the b.s here !

[Ray Corso]

...................."the clinch will almost always take place and this is where usually the physically stronger will control the fight"


Not so, there are techniques to learn to clinche properly. To be successful and safe strength the techniques will over ride power!
Once again a bad example regarding stength and its positive results.
Technique is first with everything you do in a ring. This is a science sport.
No barbell brains allowed they get their azzes kicked!
Ray

[juggernaut666]

...................."the clinch will almost always take place and this is where usually the physically stronger will control the fight"


Not so, there are techniques to learn to clinche properly. To be successful and safe strength the techniques will over ride power!
Once again a bad example regarding stength and its positive results.
Technique is first with everything you do in a ring. This is a science sport.
No barbell brains allowed they get their azzes kicked!
Ray

Ray you dont know anything about MMA which i was referring ,which i am a part in,and yes the stronger clincher will usually control where the fight goes in a ring or cage ,technique is limited in a clinch as its physical combined with balance and almost always controlled by the stronger guy.If two are equal the stronger one will control clinches ,no bar belled brains allowed ?What are you on?Are you on the beach watching a body building contest?

[Ray Corso]

........"technique is limited in a clinch as its physical combined with balance and almost always controlled by the stronger guy.If two are equal the stronger one will control clinches ,no bar belled brains allowed ?What are you on?Are you on"?

What I'm on is experience in teaching technique where your about BSing on a forum.
I don't care how its done in "mma" this is a Boxing Forum. Strength can easily be turned against the opponent trying to use it in clinches. Theres foot and knee positioning along with shoulders and head placements that can offset any "strength moves"! Strength moves tire you out weither your succeeding or not. Getting tired by using strength in clinches can be devasting because it takes time to recover.
In all honesty go back to the fantasy section where you can yak on & on.
You don't know anything about training. Your welcomed to your opinions on styles and form but you talking about technique is a joke. Whats next
Methodologies? Hell you can't think to save your azz!

Ray.

[ironalex]

........"technique is limited in a clinch as its physical combined with balance and almost always controlled by the stronger guy.If two are equal the stronger one will control clinches ,no bar belled brains allowed ?What are you on?Are you on"?

What I'm on is experience in teaching technique where your about BSing on a forum.
I don't care how its done in "mma" this is a Boxing Forum. Strength can easily be turned against the opponent trying to use it in clinches. Theres foot and knee positioning along with shoulders and head placements that can offset any "strength moves"! Strength moves tire you out weither your succeeding or not. Getting tired by using strength in clinches can be devasting because it takes time to recover.
In all honesty go back to the fantasy section where you can yak on & on.
You don't know anything about training. Your welcomed to your opinions on styles and form but you talking about technique is a joke. Whats next
Methodologies? Hell you can't think to save your azz!

Ray.

100% agree. Pep vs saddler anyone?!

[billeau2]

Why are we talking about that grappling bs style when this is a boxing forum?

The reason is grapplers happen to be a great example of useful strength. Meaning muscle activity capable of performing work. ironalex, lets use another example, rowers. Something interesting about rowers is how aerobically conditioned they are (and upper body also naturally)....They actually expectorate blood they work the lungs so much....But the thing is Rowers develop a very small part of the body functionally. "Rowing" as a training method to develop physical strength is a little like lifting very heavy weights to develop useful strength in your athletic endevour.

Grappling, climbing are two things that build great strenght for any athlete because they work the muscles that we use to do things, like our abs, core, back and spine.

The point made was that if you look at a grappler, or a rock climber they are extremely strong and do not have overdeveloped physiques. A rock climber can support all his weight on a toe hold....that means tensing muscle upon muscle....any boxer, rower, housewife would benefit from this training.

hope this clears this up.

[billeau2]

If you really think 2 hours of weight training shatters performance it only backs up what i have known ,that being youve never once were in any sports and here you are still playing the role of fool by reiterating your OPINIONS which do not apply to the real world no one even mentioned about how long one should lift anyway,your dumb azz as usual made that a separate topic....athletes have time restraints ,really???????? :wank: The other garbage you wrote has NOTHING to do with the simple question of will weight training help a boxer you basically switched up the stupidity by stating what i have already said about how weight training helps because you had nothing more to say and basically took what Corso has said already you nit wit , ,now continue onward confusing the topic with,nautilus machines,college football,MMA grapplers ,time restraints, routines for other sports ,me,etc. etc.. only the fools who are actually listening to your b.s are dumber than you are...

your still putting words in my mouth Juggy. Put thoughts in your brain instead. useful strength is useful for any athlete...MMA fighters use striking also btw in case you didn't notice.

Grappling, like picking heavy things up, builds useful strength, period. This strength is useful for any athlete. A Rock climber is a very strong human being, every muscle in her/his body is used in climbing....

Your one track record of a mind has played over and over....and it does not make it right to say it over and over onequarter wit!