Prime Holyfield Top 3 All Time

[billeau2]

The third greatest heavyweight ever was KO'd by Jim Toney, thumped by Moorer and mastered by Bowe?

He fought everyone who would fight, though. No one can take that away. He had a full beard and a belly full of guts. I wish all heavyweight champs were so willing. There was some roundness to his game as well.

Being a medium puncher was a handicap at heavyweight he had to make up for with something else. He did that.

I believe Ali, Foreman, Liston and Dempsey would beat him almost every time. Ali would have the most trouble with him of that group. Their punch is about the same and they both have titanium beards. Ali's speed advantage of foot and mitt is partially nullified because Pedvander has better than medium holdings in those departments. The one handed Frazier is a close call.

Tunney, Louis, Marciano and Tyson have about equal chances against Holyfield. I could give reasons for each. Holmes could go in this group. Marciano might even lose, especially on cuts. We know the Brockton blockbuster could take a great punch, now we will see how he is at taking the headbutts of a man on steroids. I might pick Kenny Norton against him as well. He was probably lucky he never got to face Ike Ibeabuchi. But that goes for quite a few besides Holy..

I see him beating L. Lewis and Vlad the impaler. Pedvander is exactly the man to land the deadly and feared combinations on the impaler and take him out like Sanders did.

Though one could devise a scenario where Patterson whips young Foreman, the expected will usually happen based on good evidence. In those cases where the unexpected is needed, Holyfield is your guy. If extra will is called for, he will have it. If acceptance of great pain is necessary, he accepts. He gives everything and comes out of his fights looking like he was just interrogated by the CIA.

All the guys we try to rate are close. Otherwise why bother? It's the usual suspects in the lineup. Holyfield is a floater in those ATG rankings. You could say that of all of them. For a boxer that is probably enough. Even Ali has no permanent residence.

Good post. People give the bastard maker a pass on losing to Lewis...sonny boy is in denial about one of these fights. And we do see a guy who lost to a lot of fighters...I would say that Michael Moore was very good, a lot better than many people credit him with being. Bowe? well....thats interesting because we need Holly to validate Bowe and vice versa.

I tend to see Holly as a tremendous fighter. A lot of his greatest work was before he was a heavyweight. I don't see him as one of the short list heavyweights though.

[BKM-2010]

Can we all agree though that pound for pound, Evander is the third greatest heavyweight? I consistently see Ali and Louis as the only heavyweights ranked very highly with the smaller men. But some people forget Holyfield's Cruiserweight accomplishments and that he is widely seen as the CW GOAT. That along with his HW credentials should edge him above the others on a pound for pound ranking base.

[juggernaut666]

Can we all agree though that pound for pound, Evander is the third greatest heavyweight? I consistently see Ali and Louis as the only heavyweights ranked very highly with the smaller men. But some people forget Holyfield's Cruiserweight accomplishments and that he is widely seen as the CW GOAT. That along with his HW credentials should edge him above the others on a pound for pound ranking base.

You're in the wrong debate its ... is Holyfield a top "HEAVYWEIGHT"...nothing to do with cruiserweight accomplishments or p4p and only a Holyfield fan would put him there period!

[sonnyboyx2]

You're in the wrong debate its ... is Holyfield a top "HEAVYWEIGHT"...nothing to do with cruiserweight accomplishments or p4p and only a Holyfield fan would put him there period!

it is you who is wrong..we are looking at Holyfield's career accomplishments. 4 times Heavyweight champ and universal Cruiserweight champion.. as a Heavyweight does he rank as high as No3..on his heavyweight credentials ??

I have already spelt out his accomplishments which you rubbished and claimed otherwise. Yet not once have you stated a case with evidence to back up your opinion. Or supplied a case to disprove the evidence in favour of Holyfield..

All you have done is spew-out a heap of shyte with no substance to it whatsoever..and have brought your idol Lennox Lewis into the debate, when he is completely irrelevant to the subject..

[juggernaut666]

it is you who is wrong..we are looking at Holyfield's career accomplishments. 4 times Heavyweight champ and universal Cruiserweight champion.. as a Heavyweight does he rank as high as No3..on his heavyweight credentials ??

I have already spelt out his accomplishments which you rubbished and claimed otherwise. Yet not once have you stated a case with evidence to back up your opinion. Or supplied a case to disprove the evidence in favour of Holyfield..

All you have done is spew-out a heap of shyte with no substance to it whatsoever..and have brought your idol Lennox Lewis into the debate, when he is completely irrelevant to the subject..

Well then you're obviously on another planet again....your title says if Holyfield is top 3 of all time...how would he be that in two weight classes???....that leaves the Hw class since he was the better fighter in the 90's and that what YOU seem to be defending wouldn't it? I didnt say anything about his accomplishments deluded one,i put him at number 5/6 which is high in itself. I brought Lennox into this because you said Holyfield was the most dominant fighter for nearly a decade which is false he LOST to Bowe TWICE and LENNOX once!I didn't have to make that up because its a FACT

[sonnyboyx2]

You're in the wrong debate its ... is Holyfield a top "HEAVYWEIGHT"...nothing to do with cruiserweight accomplishments or p4p and only a Holyfield fan would put him there period!

Maybe you should take a long look at this link:

http://heavyweightaction.com/Ring%20...%20Totals.html

[BKM-2010]

You're in the wrong debate its ... is Holyfield a top "HEAVYWEIGHT"...nothing to do with cruiserweight accomplishments or p4p and only a Holyfield fan would put him there period!

I wasn't asking you, pea brained troll.


And how it matters is simple: He came from a lower weight class and thus had to face a size disadvantage in most of his fights at HW. The fact that he defeated the giant Bowe and convinced enough people that he won the rematch against another giant in Lewis are examples that only increase his greatness.

[juggernaut666]

Maybe you should take a long look at this link:

http://heavyweightaction.com/Ring%20...%20Totals.html

I stopped looking when I saw Moorer at number 4


Now I see where you get your faulty ideas from no wonder you seem a step back from the others.......

[juggernaut666]

I wasn't asking you, pea brained troll.


And how it matters is simple: He came from a lower weight class and thus had to face a size disadvantage in most of his fights at HW. The fact that he defeated the giant Bowe and convinced enough people that he won the rematch against another giant in Lewis are examples that only increase his greatness.

Whatever kid...enjoy the table for two ....you and sonnyboy...the only few nitwits who would put Holyfield at number 3.

[sonnyboyx2]

Whatever kid...enjoy the table for two ....you and sonnyboy...the only two nitwits who would put Holyfield at number 3.

i think it's time you walked the plank jughead!