my top 35 heavyweights of all time

[butterfly1964]

Smasher, you need to shut the **** up because your posts are insulting to Louis. Annyone who says that Louis was not a good guy(Or anything similar to that) is an ignorant hater.

Joe Louis is the greatest

he did run around with white woman, for example actress lana turner, etc.

[Kid Achilles]

So he should be criticized for loving white women?

[butterfly1964]

So he should be criticized for loving white women?

i'm not saying that. point is he was an infidel, and that's not cool.

[BKM-]

Hilarious. So he's not a good guy then?
Everybody loves women diffirently. Who cares if they're white or black.

[smasher]

So he should be criticized for loving white women?

He would have been more than criticized for it in the 1930's and 40's. In some states at that time inter-racial marriage was illegal. How well was Jack Johnson recieved for 'taking up with white women?'

[Kid Achilles]

Smasher,

I misunderstood your first post and thought you were trying to tear into Joe Louis's character, as many revisionists attempt to do with the Uncle Tom stuff, stating he wasn't half the man Johnson or Ali was. After rereading your post, it is clear to me you were observing that a Jack Johnson or Ali type personality would have never been given the opportunities that Joe Louis was after his loss to Schmeling.

That I can agree with.

[smasher]

Smasher, you need to shut the **** up because your posts are insulting to Louis. Annyone who says that Louis was not a good guy(Or anything similar to that) is an ignorant hater.

Joe Louis is the greatest

Tough talk from a 110 lb 13 year old white kid with a peanut allergy. Stop wearing your baseball hat sideways and pull yor ****in' pants up. You're not kidding anybody, wannabe...

[BKM-]

Tough talk from a 110 lb 13 year old white kid with a peanut allergy. Stop wearing your baseball hat sideways and pull yor ****in' pants up. You're not kidding anybody, wannabe...

You envy my body fool.
And i'd rather look like that than a 40 year old, half bald, ugly, sweaty shirt wearing white perv.

[smasher]

You envy my body fool.
And i'd rather look like that than a 40 year old, half bald, ugly, sweaty shirt wearing white perv.

One Reese's Pieces in your soother sucking yap and you're out for the count Slim Shady...

[K-DOGG]

you don't understand. a fighters "prime" is when he is at his BEST as a fighter, NOT HIS PHYSICAL PEAK. its when he is at his best as a FIGHTER.


bernard hopkins did not reach his prime until mid 30s


lennox lewis prime was early-mid 30s



archie moore did not reach his prime till 30s






look at walcotts record when he was in his 20s, are u telling me walcott was in his prime when he was losing all those fights YET HE WAS OUT OF HIS PRIME WHEN HE WAS BEATING GREAT FIGHTERS?

I do understand; but argue that while a fighter's prime years and peak years do not necessarily overlap, they are usually pretty close along the time line. Walcott at 34, when you say he was in his prime, he was an all time great. Besides Charles and Ray, what great fighters did Walcott beat? An old Joe Louis, if you're counting the first fight as a loss...that's it. So, in Walcott's "prime", against Louis, Charles, & Marciano, this all time great went 2-6. That's not a good argument.

so what your trying to tell me is that joe louis did not beat a prime walcott?


does anyone else agree with this?

Also, you say I don't know what I'm talking about that Walcott fought most of his career as a heavyweight. Kay, last I checked Joey Maxin was a light heavy....who beat Walcott. Doesn't speak well for Jersey Joe, does it?


Here's a suggestion. Maybe, just maybe Joe did finally get to take the craft seriously, unlike in his youth when he had to work odd jobs all the time and rarely had the chance to properly prepare for a fight. Maybe, after the Ray win, and before the Louis "loss", Joe was able to get in proper shape and do proper training and amassed enought knowledge to take advantage of the much older 34 year old Brown Bomber and effectively, essentially, and technically beat him. Joe, after Blacburn's death and after the four years of WWII exibitions, was an OLD 34. So, it is remarkable that this old 34 beat a relatively young 34 in the rematch, which looked to be going the same way. Now, just becaue Walcott was a relatively young 34, it doesn't mean he was in his prime. He still lost twice to Charles by fairly comfortable margins..and the only reason there was a third fight was because Walcott had accused Charles of fouling, which encouraged Charles to sign for a third and fateful time.

I'm not saying Walcott wasn't slick and crafty, he was. But, he was a huge underdog when he took Louis to school in the firt fight....which undoubedtly had the same effect on his reputation as the Tyson win did on Douglas before he quit against Holyfield. Remember how everyone was singing Douglas's praises.....substitute Walcott.

After the initial Louis fight, Walcott was knocked out in the rematch, outpointed easily twice by Charles, stops Charles on a well timed hook, outpoints Charles in the 4th affair, puts up a helluva fight against Marciano while going out on his shield (further enhancing the Walcott myth), and then quits after being dropped by an uppercut in Round 1 of the Marciano rematch.


Once again, I'm not saying Walcott wasn't great on some level; but I feel you and many others give him way too much credit for his losses and how he performed losing against your heros...thus making him a hero in his own right....with an overblown reputation.