The education thread show a vid and tell us what to look for

[billeau2]

In regards to your last paragraph ,, I think only holyfield from 88-91 could fit your description or maybe chris Byrd... If toney doesn't count, then probably roy jones doesn't either...

My bad, I wasn't very clear with that statement. What I intended to communicate is that "as a heavyweight who can slip punches etc..." James Toney should not be part of the list. Not because of any slight on Toney, but when even a gifted fighter like Toney can claim heavyweight prize money it indicates that the division is lacking. And yes Roy Jones should also be put under the same caveats because my point is that the whole rubric of skills that one can identify in a heavyweight like marciano, who incidently was a champion when the division was considered relatively weak, are not present in the division as it stands now.

To further clarify: Toney and Jones are not natural heavyweights, and even as cruisers they are not near their best at any time in their career.

[billeau2]

Well Bill, im not surprised in the least at your reply. it is the same old reply you post every single time Lennox inabilities are put up for discussion. you play the old "Hate Card" rather than have it discussed, you do this because you know that you are on a loser, you know that what is put in front of you to discuss, is true and you cannot deny it or refute it. So your only option is to label the poster as a "Hater or Troll"... Well you leave me no other option but to answer my question for you. In all honesty i will make it short and sweet. Lennox would hit the canvas quicker than what Trevor Berbick did.

Razor Ruddock was Damaged Goods the night he fought Lewis, after two brutal beatings from Mike Tyson. who broke Ruddock's cheak-bone and eye-socket. Ruddock never threw a single punch against Lewis (i was there) The fight had been knocked out of him in the Tyson fights. In fact Lewis was odds-on favorite to beat Ruddock, which proves my point.

Instead of mindless recriminations why don't you post some tape demonstrating a fallicy with Lewis? Demonstrate faults that are indicated and make lewis such a horrendous fighter. You have lost credability because you make a lot of absurd biased statements and often assume people are more partisan than they are...by a long shot. Scott and Joseph for example are fairly non partisan in their postings, but to hear you they are Lewis fanboys. I know for a fact that while I admire lewis, he is not one of my favorite fighters, but to hear you? This is a thread designed to spread the virtues of proof of assertions, not hyperbole, haterade and worship.

[billeau2]

More Mike Tyson Hatred from you jeeeezz

Perfect example of my last post! Thank you. I happen to like Tyson more than lewis for your info...but because I don't subscribe to the idea that Ruddock was so traumatized by Tyson that he was easy pickins for Lewis I hate Tyson? you are ridiculous when you post haterade....

[BattlingNelson]

I wonder if making a sticky thread titled: 'Sonny's Lewis appreciation thread' would somehow be beneficial.

[sonnyboyx2]

Instead of mindless recriminations why don't you post some tape demonstrating a fallicy with Lewis? Demonstrate faults that are indicated and make lewis such a horrendous fighter. You have lost credability because you make a lot of absurd biased statements and often assume people are more partisan than they are...by a long shot. Scott and Joseph for example are fairly non partisan in their postings, but to hear you they are Lewis fanboys. I know for a fact that while I admire lewis, he is not one of my favorite fighters, but to hear you? This is a thread designed to spread the virtues of proof of assertions, not hyperbole, haterade and worship.

I posted a tape, but you chose to label me as a "Hater" for posting that tape. i pointed out in my post faults of Lewis, but you chose not to address those faults but to ridicule me personally. You now are looking for back up of Scott & Joseph to help you out, because you are unable to address my questions i put forward on Lewis vs Tyson of 1986.... You are pathetic.

If you had addressed my points from the video i posted up, then i am quite sure a very good discussion could have been had. But as always on this forum it is criminal to discuss or mention Lennox Lewis. On the other rival boxing forum (which im not a member) There is a current question on Lennox Lewis resume, which has over 400+ replies. Many of those replies i agree with and many i don't. But those members who have posted the comments i agree with are not labelled as "Haters".. it's as tho you along with Joseph & Scott cannot bring yourselves to ever discuss Lewis or allow anyone else to ever mention him in anything other than a "Be crazy about" Way..You are cutting Lewis out of Boxing History by not letting him be debated. You hold him in such high regard that most boxing fans laugh at your "Smitten with" idolization of the guy..I read how some rate Lennox as a top 5 ATG Heavyweight, which is simply fanciful.

[sonnyboyx2]

Perfect example of my last post! Thank you. I happen to like Tyson more than lewis for your info...but because I don't subscribe to the idea that Ruddock was so traumatized by Tyson that he was easy pickins for Lewis I hate Tyson? you are ridiculous when you post haterade....

Your Tyson posts on the other forum show you to be a Hater.

[sonnyboyx2]

I wonder if making a sticky thread titled: 'Sonny's Lewis appreciation thread' would somehow be beneficial.

Go for it Bat, I'm sure it will be very interesting reading.

[ukbox]

Lewis & Tyson were both great

Tyson had the edge in his prime, he put fear in his opponents. The night he lost to Buster was the perfect storm, Buster looking to take shots to deal with grief & fight for his mother's honour. There had been better fighters in the ring before with Tyson but they didn't go in with Buster's mentality

Lewis was great as he adapted during his career. In the early days Lewis wanted nothing to do with Tyson. They had both sparred but Tyson still had that fear factor & Lewis was shook. Lewis openly admitted he wanted no part of Tyson in the early days. That would have been a huge psychological edge for Tyson

After the Douglas fight there was a blueprint to Tyson. Tyson's problems outside the ring caught up and instead of adapting and learning from defeat (like Lewis) Tyson went off the rails & self destructed.

[beez721]

Lewis & Tyson were both great

Tyson had the edge in his prime, he put fear in his opponents. The night he lost to Buster was the perfect storm, Buster looking to take shots to deal with grief & fight for his mother's honour. There had been better fighters in the ring before with Tyson but they didn't go in with Buster's mentality

Lewis was great as he adapted during his career. In the early days Lewis wanted nothing to do with Tyson. They had both sparred but Tyson still had that fear factor & Lewis was shook. Lewis openly admitted he wanted no part of Tyson in the early days. That would have been a huge psychological edge for Tyson

After the Douglas fight there was a blueprint to Tyson. Tyson's problems outside the ring caught up and instead of adapting and learning from defeat (like Lewis) Tyson went off the rails & self destructed.

I dont believe lennox ever ducked tyson back in the day. as much as I never liked lennox's arrogance in his younger years he did always take on the most dangerous fighters and strived to fight the best.

im not sure who wins prime 4 prime. tyson was obviously a shell of himself when he fought lennox so its not a great predictor on what would have happened earlier in his career. I could see tyson getting lennox out of there early just as easily as I could see lennox wearing tyson down and taking him late. tough to call

[Scott9945]

I posted a tape, but you chose to label me as a "Hater" for posting that tape. i pointed out in my post faults of Lewis, but you chose not to address those faults but to ridicule me personally. You now are looking for back up of Scott & Joseph to help you out, because you are unable to address my questions i put forward on Lewis vs Tyson of 1986.... You are pathetic.

If you had addressed my points from the video i posted up, then i am quite sure a very good discussion could have been had. But as always on this forum it is criminal to discuss or mention Lennox Lewis. On the other rival boxing forum (which im not a member) There is a current question on Lennox Lewis resume, which has over 400+ replies. Many of those replies i agree with and many i don't. But those members who have posted the comments i agree with are not labelled as "Haters".. it's as tho you along with Joseph & Scott cannot bring yourselves to ever discuss Lewis or allow anyone else to ever mention him in anything other than a "Be crazy about" Way..You are cutting Lewis out of Boxing History by not letting him be debated. You hold him in such high regard that most boxing fans laugh at your "Smitten with" idolization of the guy..I read how some rate Lennox as a top 5 ATG Heavyweight, which is simply fanciful.

I have stopped debating you on this topic because you are completely irrational. And then there are the lies. I'm not interested in talking about you and would appreciate the same courtesy. I know that other posters here were snickering when you accused me and Joseph of trying to "turn this forum into a Lennox Lewis Fan Club". The regulars here, whether they like me or not, know that is bullspit. Just like I have never posted hateful tirades against great fighters of the past.

B2 can speak very well for himself and doesn't need my help. You can keep trying to sell your anti Lewis propaganda. You know I ain't buying it. But if you want to come after me personally, you'll most certainly get a receipt.