The Hardest Puncher in Boxing History ?

[billeau2]

Statistics and common sense support they hit harder ,again speed and technique also determining factors of how hard a punch will be delivered that is common knowledge ,no one with actual boxing experience would disagree.No one with real hold on reality would have Louis in a top 10 spot here,im also not the one that couldnt decipher why using Primo Carnera was comical...that was you,even to the point that a guy like Bert Sugar even called him the worst HW champ in history .

There are many boxing people who think Louis was the hardest puncher, because of technical factors which he mastered in his delivery...You are too concerned with some mmythical status quo if you think this argument is unreasonable.

you don't respond to points jughead....you go right down the list to the next commonism that everyone should know....You have not responded to any of the points about actual size and ability in the heavyweight division...I guess an apeal to the status quo works where logic fails to tread? I will ask you a question I have asked before to shut you down you ready:

show me a correlation, not a scientific established link even....simply a correlation, between size and power in the heavyweight division ok? Thank you.

[juggernaut666]

There are many boxing people who think Louis was the hardest puncher, because of technical factors which he mastered in his delivery...You are too concerned with some mmythical status quo if you think this argument is unreasonable.

you don't respond to points jughead....you go right down the list to the next commonism that everyone should know....You have not responded to any of the points about actual size and ability in the heavyweight division...I guess an apeal to the status quo works where logic fails to tread? I will ask you a question I have asked before to shut you down you ready:

show me a correlation, not a scientific established link even....simply a correlation, between size and power in the heavyweight division ok? Thank you.

k.o percentage has gone down the hevier the opponents got,even Tyson had a poor k.o rercord with certain sized guys over 230 that is not debatable,anyone can look up his record.size plays a direct correlation to ones ability to k.o someone in GENERAL.Of course you will use guys like Carnara to prove yours which is foolish,considering the guy wasn't a true legit fighter,he was a side show,and guys like fat out of shape 230 Gallento or former 140 pounders like Conn may impress you,but again that's your nonsense,im a bit smarter than that.you are also arguing with physics to try ...I say TRY to tell me that a bigger guy wont generally hit harder or be able to absorb a better punch ...well that's on you.The HARD truth is no one can really show me where Louis is the hardest puncher of all time,its as stated a nonsense claim to make,considering he never fought a true world class fighter over even 210 pounds,particularly b/c there was NONE in his era.The power factor is the reason weight classes were made to make things fair by dividing size as even as possible hence also the creation of the CRUISER weight division,which Louis would be today not just b/c of many guys hitting harder and improved fighters but Louis's chin would never hold up to a quite a few Hw punchers who I GUARANTEE hit harder than ,Braddock. or Shmelling. so you're not only arguing with physics but history as well...lol

[MartinC]

Joe Louis was a tremendous puncher.

[juggernaut666]

Joe Louis was a tremendous puncher.

P4p yes he was however...theres still no one here that can point out why hes the greatest power puncher or give a real lfe example of proof that even puts him in a top 10 spot if I were to list others..

[sonnyboyx2]

P4p yes he was however...theres still no one here that can point out why hes the greatest power puncher or give a real lfe example of proof that even puts him in a top 10 spot if I were to list others..

You need to satart reading other members posts. it was pointed out to you earlier, Joe Louis was the greatest puncher in boxing history, Louis could lift fighters clean off their feet, with punches which would not travel more than 6ins. Louis poleaxed genuine contenders with punching power unseen since his glory days.

[billeau2]

k.o percentage has gone down the hevier the opponents got,even Tyson had a poor k.o rercord with certain sized guys over 230 that is not debatable,anyone can look up his record.size plays a direct correlation to ones ability to k.o someone in GENERAL.Of course you will use guys like Carnara to prove yours which is foolish,considering the guy wasn't a true legit fighter,he was a side show,and guys like fat out of shape 230 Gallento or former 140 pounders like Conn may impress you,but again that's your nonsense,im a bit smarter than that.you are also arguing with physics to try ...I say TRY to tell me that a bigger guy wont generally hit harder or be able to absorb a better punch ...well that's on you.The HARD truth is no one can really show me where Louis is the hardest puncher of all time,its as stated a nonsense claim to make,considering he never fought a true world class fighter over even 210 pounds,particularly b/c there was NONE in his era.The power factor is the reason weight classes were made to make things fair by dividing size as even as possible hence also the creation of the CRUISER weight division,which Louis would be today not just b/c of many guys hitting harder and improved fighters but Louis's chin would never hold up to a quite a few Hw punchers who I GUARANTEE hit harder than ,Braddock. or Shmelling. so you're not only arguing with physics but history as well...lol

I could condense that for you: You can't. Thank you have a nice day jughead.

Like most common kultural consumers you would prefer to deal with intangibles like "big", well....I don't have the time today but on another occasion I will take time out of my life to deconstruct such fallciies as weight = big in all cases, we can talk about bone density, etc... but just for today lets try to stop using common sense as a cesspool for ignorance. Thank ya!

Actually Sonnyboy gave you some great info. part of a punch's power is is accuracy, the ability to throw it untelegraphed, and to throw it as part of a combination.

[juggernaut666]

You need to satart reading other members posts. it was pointed out to you earlier, Joe Louis was the greatest puncher in boxing history, Louis could lift fighters clean off their feet, with punches which would not travel more than 6ins. Louis poleaxed genuine contenders with punching power unseen since his glory days.

And you need to look at the size of his opponents...they were as low as 160 pounds some of them,to compare his poewer to legit HW's ovwer 220 is laughable,louis wouldn't put a dent with the top punchers I listed ,put the 5 0z gloves on 240 plus elite Lennox Lewis, who you for whatever reason cant hit hard enough to be considered in an all time top list with power? and its not even a debate its a comedy show.Louis was in the weakest era in history post Jack Johnson in terms of not only size but talent,the guy he had to beat for his belt had over 25 losses and came out of retirement to fight him? ...please you need to get your head out of the clouds if you really think knocking out guys like past prime Shmelling is worth noting as well....what about Conn was that a great k.o in the rematch?You do realize Conn was 140 pounds or so at one time right?lol

[juggernaut666]

I could condense that for you: You can't. Thank you have a nice day jughead.

Like most common kultural consumers you would prefer to deal with intangibles like "big", well....I don't have the time today but on another occasion I will take time out of my life to deconstruct such fallciies as weight = big in all cases, we can talk about bone density, etc... but just for today lets try to stop using common sense as a cesspool for ignorance. Thank ya!

Actually Sonnyboy gave you some great info. part of a punch's power is is accuracy, the ability to throw it untelegraphed, and to throw it as part of a combination.

You just don't get it!My reply to sonny sums you up as well.

[STEELHEAD]

both foreman and ali said ernie shavers i believe.

[The Old LefHook]

Lennox Lewis does not belong on a list of hardest punchers, pure and simple. Be careful anyone who believes he does. Don't even think physics can help you. Lewis seldom acheived body mass into his punches because he was too afraid of being hit in return. He is often drawing backwards before his punches even land.

I can give him credit for being a top 15 heavyweight, but not a hardest puncher. The right he took Rahman out with was a great punch, and apparently influences opinions. But if we thought that way we would list Benitez as one of the hardest P4P punchers for what he did to Maurice Harris. All top fighters sometimes throw a perfect punch.

Neither Klitscho belongs on a puncher's list, as well. Why? Because like Lewis they seldom acheive body mass into their punches. Usually, rather than stepping forward, these big boys simply lean forward, enabling them because of their height advantage to reach opponents. This lean forward does not aprroximate in force the body mass moving forward with a step, but it keeps them on the outside where these timid giants feel they must remain, or else someone might swat them, which has previously proven disasterous for them.

The rise of the Competent Giant Era has proven something remarkable, but only about the power axiom by way of negativity. Their big proof has been that monster-sized men of good but not great intrinsic talent level, who are in shape, can indeed rule the heavyweight division over opponents of the same talent level and even a little higher, simply by exploiting their height advantage.

In all fairness, you might say this was proved on paper first by the great Manny Steward, who already knew the answer, before he ever had a student worthy of carrying out the task.

Before Isaac Newton, others had speculated that the inverse square law might have something to do with the mysterious force of gravity. But Newton did not just suspect it, he laid down all the laws pertaining to it. Manny was in a similar position. Others had theories about the value of fighting tall, they just had not realized those theories into a coherent system for the modern era, testable through experiment.

The remarkable theorem in its complete form was: Giants with good but not great talent and mobility (likely not good enough to guard Magic Johnson), who are in great condition, can use their size advantage to dominate eras during which no super talent emerges.


In retrospect it does not seem so remarkable. Nothing ever does, given enough distance. The trainers of Jess Willard probably had similar ideas they put into play.

If an actual super talent ever comes along in a super sized body in boxing, they might have to shut the sport down, if the guy happens to have a big killer instinct to go with his size and talent. He would have to toy with opponents and put them out gently to keep the hounds at bay.