Bernard Hopkins vs Floyd Mayweather

[jas]

Seems like you are to me.

People disagree with you and you start name calling, call LacedUp a F lomo, I don't think he's even a big Mayweather fan at all.

If anyone doesn't overly praise Hopkins you say "they're jelous because they're not in shape" Like you could possibly know.

Sensitive I don't think is even the word.

calling someone a floyd mayweather fan is an insult now? lol , you guys can carry on, i obviously touched a nerve

[IronDanHamza]

calling someone a floyd mayweather fan is an insult now? lol , you guys can carry on, i obviously touched a nerve

Ah yes because the term "F Lomo" isn't supposed to be an insult

What are you 12?

[LacedUp]

He has some good wins at MW outside if the obvious Trinidad.

Echols, Allen, Holmes, Eastman, Johnson

They were top rated Mw's outside of Johnson. There's a few others too.

But you're right it was a very weak MW era.

I'm not saying he didn't fight the top MWs of his era. Just saying those guys aren't anything special in my book. As in, on the level of the guys I mentioned.

Some of Mayweather's best wins were no different, like having Hatton and Marquez come up in weight where they never fought before(and didn't even make weight against JMM). I still consider them great wins, but I'm not a nitpicker like you when it comes to weight/size.

Mayweather's resume is one of the most nitpicked in all of boxing, and I could have a field day with his record when it comes to weight, opponents being past prime, cherrypicking, DUCKING(oh boy) etc. The latter btw is a good comparison, Hopkins may have some losses(mostly ATG's) but hey, he can say he fought just about everybody in his era and when most of them were at their best. Can't say the same for Mayweather.

And you still haven't gone in depth into his resume and accomplishments like I generally did for Hopkins, so you still should.

Nobody said Hopkins had an ATG winning streak at MW, but consistency is always a feat in boxing history and is always rewarded. Do you remember all of Larry Holmes' title defenses? Or Joe Louis'?(and please don't act like I'm comparing Hopkins to them in general as I'm simply making an example about something here). Like I said earlier I'm open minded about this topic as I believe it is close between these two, but to say "there's no comparison" in favor of Mayweather is completely laughable and endangers your credibility here.

Well, considering Hatton was WBA champion at WW (i believe) and Marquez went on to have a good career at WW i think those are very different to Hopkins' wins in comparison.

It's not about nit picking. It's about facts. They were unproven at a weight. It's like giving Klitschko full credit for beating Marco Huck. Huck is a great cruiserweight, but isn't proven at heavyweight.

Well, Mayweather didn't fight everybody no, he hasn't fought Pacquiao. but he fought just about everybody else. In comparison, did Hopkins fight Toney? McClellan? Kulumbay? No he didn't. Mayweather clearly has a history of fighting the best guys in his division, and I'm not one to dwell on the whole Pacquiao thing, I would rather look at him going after Hernandez, Corrales, Prince Naz, ODLH - when Mayweather was practically begging for that fight - etc.

Mayweather also has more haters than everybody else, which leads to people having a clouded judgement when it comes to his achievements. Do I agree with everything he does? No. I think he's annoying too. But what I don't understand are people can criticize Mayweather for making Canelo drop 2 pounds, but then turn around and call Pavlik an ATG win when he's 10 lbs above his natural fightweight and it was much more suited to Hopkins.

Look, I agree. Consistency is very important. But Mayweather has been just as consistent - but in more weightclasses.

As I said, he's a HOFamer and an ATG. He has a well deserved place as a top fighter in this era (or last era) depending on how you measure it. But I think Roy Jones, Mayweather and Pacquiao are three guys we can safely say are greater than he. But Hopkins comes in right after - which is definitely not a bad place to be.

[LacedUp]

yea hopkins has losses on his record but most of them are disputed

he lost to roy jones jr 8-4, if floyd fought the equivalent of roy when floyd was as inexperienced, he would have lost

taylor losses - i thought he won both, poll results at time indicated most people felt he won first fight, havent seen poll for second fight

calzaghe - disputed loss yet again

lets not forget, these losses came in his 40s

You got that wrong mate.

Floyd was the equivalent of Roy in his young days.

[jas]

You got that wrong mate.

Floyd was the equivalent of Roy in his young days.

roy beats floyd p4p

[LacedUp]

roy beats floyd p4p

I'm not disagreeing with that and Roy is clearly the greater fighter in my book.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not disagreeing with that and Roy is clearly the greater fighter in my book.

Same here.

What F lomo's.

Anyone that says anything that doesn't discredit Mayweather on here is considered that.

It's so ridiculous.

[LacedUp]

Same here.

What F lomo's.

Anyone that says anything that doesn't discredit Mayweather on here is considered that.

It's so ridiculous.

I won't even blame them because if you post in NSB and someone says something positive (or negative) about floyd they are usually fanboys or haters. Which is why I tend never to post about him there.

But in the history section we should be able to have a decent discussion about him without having insults thrown around.

[jas]

Same here.

What F lomo's.

Anyone that says anything that doesn't discredit Mayweather on here is considered that.

It's so ridiculous.

ok chill dan, i apologise , lets get back to the topic

[IronDanHamza]

I won't even blame them because if you post in NSB and someone says something positive (or negative) about floyd they are usually fanboys or haters. Which is why I tend never to post about him there.

But in the history section we should be able to have a decent discussion about him without having insults thrown around.

You would think so.