Bernard Hopkins vs Floyd Mayweather

[IronDanHamza]

Honestly, no they are not. At all actually.

Tarver and Tito are top level wins. but Pavlik was fought not 1 but 2 weight classes higher than Pavlik's weight. ODLH is not a middleweight and never performed well in the couple of fights he had there. Johnson was good, but certainly nowhere near a top win and Pascal was also good but mainly because Hopkins was old and managed to achieve it.

There's no denying Hopkins is great.

But Mayweather fought a higher number of ATGs/HOFamers, #1 contenders and has won more titles in more weightclasses than Hopkins has.

Hopkins was very lucky to be in the middleweight division when he was I'm sure we can all agree on that. What was once a great division with the likes of Roy Jones jr, Toney, McCallum, Kulumbay, Eubank, Benn, Mcclellan, Watson, Graham, Nunn etc was completely void of talent by the time Hopkins set in . He might have a lot of middleweight wins, but it's void really, because he only really has 2-3 really good wins at MW.

Seriously, if you didn't have boxrec by your side I doubt most people could tell me 5 wins of his at MW and tell me something about those 5 fighters. Because they were all bad. Almost.

Best underdog wins ever? Against who exactly? Hopkins lost against the best guys he fought. He lost convincingly too. Has losses and bad performances vs Jones jr, Pascal, Dawson et al. He did win against tito and tarver though, credit where it's due.

I believe Calzaghe won that fight, but I can respect anyone's opinion on that fight, however fact is he lost.

Jermain Taylor lost both fights clearly imo. But Taylor was really nothing special himself.

Now, Floyd's resume consists of guys who were world champions before and after he fought them. I believe he fought and beat something like 19 world current/former/future champions in his career. And Floyd is old too. 38 or something, people forget that.

There's simply no comparison between their two resumes.

He has some good wins at MW outside if the obvious Trinidad.

Echols, Allen, Holmes, Eastman, Johnson

They were top rated Mw's outside of Johnson. There's a few others too.

But you're right it was a very weak MW era.

[BKM-2010]

Honestly, no they are not. At all actually.

Tarver and Tito are top level wins. but Pavlik was fought not 1 but 2 weight classes higher than Pavlik's weight. ODLH is not a middleweight and never performed well in the couple of fights he had there. Johnson was good, but certainly nowhere near a top win and Pascal was also good but mainly because Hopkins was old and managed to achieve it.

There's no denying Hopkins is great.

But Mayweather fought a higher number of ATGs/HOFamers, #1 contenders and has won more titles in more weightclasses than Hopkins has.

Hopkins was very lucky to be in the middleweight division when he was I'm sure we can all agree on that. What was once a great division with the likes of Roy Jones jr, Toney, McCallum, Kulumbay, Eubank, Benn, Mcclellan, Watson, Graham, Nunn etc was completely void of talent by the time Hopkins set in . He might have a lot of middleweight wins, but it's void really, because he only really has 2-3 really good wins at MW.

Seriously, if you didn't have boxrec by your side I doubt most people could tell me 5 wins of his at MW and tell me something about those 5 fighters. Because they were all bad. Almost.

Best underdog wins ever? Against who exactly? Hopkins lost against the best guys he fought. He lost convincingly too. Has losses and bad performances vs Jones jr, Pascal, Dawson et al. He did win against tito and tarver though, credit where it's due.

I believe Calzaghe won that fight, but I can respect anyone's opinion on that fight, however fact is he lost.

Jermain Taylor lost both fights clearly imo. But Taylor was really nothing special himself.

Now, Floyd's resume consists of guys who were world champions before and after he fought them. I believe he fought and beat something like 19 world current/former/future champions in his career. And Floyd is old too. 38 or something, people forget that.

There's simply no comparison between their two resumes.

Some of Mayweather's best wins were no different, like having Hatton and Marquez come up in weight where they never fought before(and didn't even make weight against JMM). I still consider them great wins, but I'm not a nitpicker like you when it comes to weight/size.

Mayweather's resume is one of the most nitpicked in all of boxing, and I could have a field day with his record when it comes to weight, opponents being past prime, cherrypicking, DUCKING(oh boy) etc. The latter btw is a good comparison, Hopkins may have some losses(mostly ATG's) but hey, he can say he fought just about everybody in his era and when most of them were at their best. Can't say the same for Mayweather.

And you still haven't gone in depth into his resume and accomplishments like I generally did for Hopkins, so you still should.

Nobody said Hopkins had an ATG winning streak at MW, but consistency is always a feat in boxing history and is always rewarded. Do you remember all of Larry Holmes' title defenses? Or Joe Louis'?(and please don't act like I'm comparing Hopkins to them in general as I'm simply making an example about something here). Like I said earlier I'm open minded about this topic as I believe it is close between these two, but to say "there's no comparison" in favor of Mayweather is completely laughable and endangers your credibility here.

[IronDanHamza]

bkm dont bother bud - irondamhamza, lacedup and shoulderroll are known fl0mos and will jump on anybody who says hopkins is greater

All I'm doing is debating and discussing .This is a discussion board isn't it? If so then why do you and others get on the verge of tears when people disagree with you?

I'm not dis*****g this topic is debatable.

[LacedUp]

bkm dont bother bud - irondamhamza, lacedup and shoulderroll are known fl0mos and will jump on anybody who says hopkins is greater

Known *****s?

Find me one post where I have even remotely been anything like a "*****".

If you can't discuss properly in the history section, I suggest you get back to NSB and take your insults with you. This is a serious boxing forum.

And btw, I don't see either myself or Dan sporting sigs with Floyd as you do Hopkins, so I suppose it could be seen as you being fanboy and simply can't fathom that fact that Mayweather has a resume that is simply miles better than Hopkins' is.

[jas]

All I'm doing is debating and discussing .This is a discussion board isn't it? If so then why do you and others get on the verge of tears when people disagree with you?

I'm not dis*****g this topic is debatable.

im not in tears dan

[BKM-2010]

bkm dont bother bud - irondamhamza, lacedup and shoulderroll are known fl0mos and will jump on anybody who says hopkins is greater

I can tell. I feel like I'm in one of those drive-by shootings up in the bowels of the NSB section because the Mayweather name has been dropped.

[jas]

mayweather has yet to face his number 1 challenger at Welter

[IronDanHamza]

Some of Mayweather's best wins were no different, like having Hatton and Marquez come up in weight where they never fought before(and didn't even make weight against JMM). I still consider them great wins, but I'm not a nitpicker like you when it comes to weight/size.

Mayweather's resume is one of the most nitpicked in all of boxing, and I could have a field day with his record when it comes to weight, opponents being past prime, cherrypicking, DUCKING(oh boy) etc. The latter btw is a good comparison, Hopkins may have some losses(mostly ATG's) but hey, he can say he fought just about everybody in his era and when most of them were at their best. Can't say the same for Mayweather.

And you still haven't gone in depth into his resume and accomplishments like I generally did for Hopkins, so you still should.

Nobody said Hopkins had an ATG winning streak at MW, but consistency is always a feat in boxing history and is always rewarded. Do you remember all of Larry Holmes' title defenses? Or Joe Louis'?(and please don't act like I'm comparing Hopkins to them in general as I'm simply making an example about something here). Like I said earlier I'm open minded about this topic as I believe it is close between these two, but to say "there's no comparison" in favor of Mayweather is completely laughable and endangers your credibility here.

Hatton had fought at WW.

Marquez I agree though, although he has gone on to prove his self at that weight, it was still a big jump.

How has Hopkins lost to mostly ATG's? He's lost to one ATG in Roy Jones.

[IronDanHamza]

im not in tears dan

Seems like you are to me.

People disagree with you and you start name calling, call LacedUp a F lomo, I don't think he's even a big Mayweather fan at all.

If anyone doesn't overly praise Hopkins you say "they're jelous because they're not in shape" Like you could possibly know.

Sensitive I don't think is even the word.

[jas]

yea hopkins has losses on his record but most of them are disputed

he lost to roy jones jr 8-4, if floyd fought the equivalent of roy when floyd was as inexperienced, he would have lost

taylor losses - i thought he won both, poll results at time indicated most people felt he won first fight, havent seen poll for second fight

calzaghe - disputed loss yet again

lets not forget, these losses came in his 40s