and people act like thats his fault.
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He beat the best that was there for him, why stay in the game untill a young guy cums up the ranks n beats you, if u stay in there to long u get hurt, look at Ali, he got beat by a Leon Spinks Larry Holmes and Berbick, Holyfeild lost to Larry Holmes, a former middleweight champ ok hes amazin skills but still, Foreman squeezed past some bums, Rocky is unbeatin, never done b4, never done again no1 will get 49-0 n if they do, it wont matter cos rocky beat old school fighters in old school times
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Originally posted by El CholoI see some like Ali cutting him to shreds and tying him up on the inside.
An old Walcott took alot of his shots.
I dont see how Rocky could have hit Ali.
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Not only did Rocky hit Ali, he KOed Ali in the 13th round. Granted, this was a computer fight, but if they had fought, I'm sure it would end the same way.
The computer that decided the outcome was used to try to predict the winner of real boxing matches - to which it failed miserably.
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Something to think about before you guys just claim, that anyfighter would clean house on Marciano's era. Other poster said it this way when Fraizer vs Marciano's oppentions. And I sort of agree with him.
Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marcianos opposition
In this scenario our young Joe Frazier dose not enjoy the benefits of a long amateur career culminating in an olympic gold medal. He is thrown into the professional ranks after only twelve amateur fights. Worse still, by his third profissional fight his sheister manager starts matching him up with people who have records 15-25 wins to give his boys an easy victory. It is not unlikley that our young Joe Fraziers quest to tie the magic 49,0 ends when he picks up a loss in his first twenty fights.
Eventually he starts to rise through the ranks and his potential is recognised. His next big test is when he takes his first step up in competiton against the unbeaten Roland LaStraza. Would the Frazier who fought Oscar Bonavena be ready for LaStraza yet? Hard to say. Whether he gets past this hurdle or not he will be hitting the big time by now.
Once in the mix with the top contenders Frazier will find this era of small slick fighters particularly well suited to his swarming style. Rex Layne would be a bad stylistc match for him but I am sure he would prevail. He will certainly go on to win the title one way or another. Having fought Walcott twice, Charles twice Moore once and LaStraza twice it is possible that one of them edges him to take a decision at some point in the timeline.
Will Frazier tie the magic 49,0? Personaly he is one of the few fighters that I could see doing it but there are a lot of pitfalls along the way early in his career on the way up and late in it also.
The thing is, you can NEVER be sure 100 percent that Tyson, Ali or Fraizer would tie the magic 49-0 record had they fought in Marciano's era.
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Originally posted by vargasif Rocky Marciano would of lived up to today you think he would of had more stardom and been more recognized as a legend than ali.
maybe he even would of been more liked than ali
Ali was larger than life, while Rocky was a working man's hero. That's not to say Rocky wouldn't have his own stardom; but I can't see it being quite as extreme as Ali's turned out to be.
True story: while Ali and Rocky were filming the "Superfight" Rock and Muhammad had several discussions on how the two of them could team up to do something positive in light of all the chaos of that time. Rocky had a good heart...a real solid guy.
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Originally posted by Southpaw StingerYou know there were two endings filmed for that fight, one where Ali won for the Brittish and Europeon audiences and one where Marciano won for the USA audiences (as Ali was unpopular in USA at the time)
The computer that decided the outcome was used to try to predict the winner of real boxing matches - to which it failed miserably.
I've seen the super fight and they did a whole documentary on both fighters and the film itself
its true there were two endings but the fact is that in europe they never showed the whole fight, they stopped it mid 11th round.
in the mid 11th the doctor checked marciano's cuts and in europe they stopped and said Ali won when in actuallity there was still another two rounds to he fight.
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Using a very modern boxing simulation(Title Bout) and running a Ali/Marciano fight on it, the simulation resulted in Ali taking a majority decision over Marciano after 15 rounds by scores of; 145-141, 145-141, and 143-143.
No knockdowns, and Marciano did recieve a small cut above his right eye, but it was irrelevant...Four of the rounds Marciano won came after the halfway point.
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of couse its GUESS work even for the computer/
I recall a guy doing a computer system for the heavyweight title fights, and BOY we had Dempsey loseing the title to Carp,
And Marciano not winning the title until 1954,(And Charles got the first 3 wins over Rocky)
And Ali not winning the title AT all in the 1960's.
It was pretty odd. The computer must have been smoking something lol.
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I honestly can't see any computer, no matter how much technology advances, ever...EVER being able to predict the outcome two great warriors going at it..without them ever having met before. The human mind and will to win are a wonderful thing. Computers may or may not be able to predict the outcome of two teams facing off; but NEVER two individuals. There is an infinite number of things that go into a fight between two men....and pure logic and statistical calculations can never understand what a gutcheck is, what a rally is, what will to win is...Never.
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