If Rocky Marciano would of..........

[King Koyle]

Dempsey, Louis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson at least go 49-0 against ROCKY'S competition

Ali had his troubles with several journeymen.This isn't a given.

[King Koyle]

Something to think about before you guys just claim, that anyfighter would clean house on Marciano's era. Other poster said it this way when Fraizer vs Marciano's oppentions. And I sort of agree with him.

Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marcianos opposition

In this scenario our young Joe Frazier dose not enjoy the benefits of a long amateur career culminating in an olympic gold medal. He is thrown into the professional ranks after only twelve amateur fights. Worse still, by his third profissional fight his sheister manager starts matching him up with people who have records 15-25 wins to give his boys an easy victory. It is not unlikley that our young Joe Fraziers quest to tie the magic 49,0 ends when he picks up a loss in his first twenty fights.

Eventually he starts to rise through the ranks and his potential is recognised. His next big test is when he takes his first step up in competiton against the unbeaten Roland LaStraza. Would the Frazier who fought Oscar Bonavena be ready for LaStraza yet? Hard to say. Whether he gets past this hurdle or not he will be hitting the big time by now.

Once in the mix with the top contenders Frazier will find this era of small slick fighters particularly well suited to his swarming style. Rex Layne would be a bad stylistc match for him but I am sure he would prevail. He will certainly go on to win the title one way or another. Having fought Walcott twice, Charles twice Moore once and LaStraza twice it is possible that one of them edges him to take a decision at some point in the timeline.

Will Frazier tie the magic 49,0? Personaly he is one of the few fighters that I could see doing it but there are a lot of pitfalls along the way early in his career on the way up and late in it also.

The thing is, you can NEVER be sure 100 percent that Tyson, Ali or Fraizer would tie the magic 49-0 record had they fought in Marciano's era.

Very well said!Karma to you.

[hemichromis]

marciano was a damn good fighter but due to the lack of strong opposition at that time we cannot judge him in the same way we can ali foreman and frazier who were dominant in the golden age of boxing. this does not mean he was worse than those three it just means he hadn;t been tested to the same extent

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Something to think about before you guys just claim, that anyfighter would clean house on Marciano's era. Other poster said it this way when Fraizer vs Marciano's oppentions. And I sort of agree with him.

Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marcianos opposition

In this scenario our young Joe Frazier dose not enjoy the benefits of a long amateur career culminating in an olympic gold medal. He is thrown into the professional ranks after only twelve amateur fights. Worse still, by his third profissional fight his sheister manager starts matching him up with people who have records 15-25 wins to give his boys an easy victory. It is not unlikley that our young Joe Fraziers quest to tie the magic 49,0 ends when he picks up a loss in his first twenty fights.

Eventually he starts to rise through the ranks and his potential is recognised. His next big test is when he takes his first step up in competiton against the unbeaten Roland LaStraza. Would the Frazier who fought Oscar Bonavena be ready for LaStraza yet? Hard to say. Whether he gets past this hurdle or not he will be hitting the big time by now.

Once in the mix with the top contenders Frazier will find this era of small slick fighters particularly well suited to his swarming style. Rex Layne would be a bad stylistc match for him but I am sure he would prevail. He will certainly go on to win the title one way or another. Having fought Walcott twice, Charles twice Moore once and LaStraza twice it is possible that one of them edges him to take a decision at some point in the timeline.

Will Frazier tie the magic 49,0? Personaly he is one of the few fighters that I could see doing it but there are a lot of pitfalls along the way early in his career on the way up and late in it also.

The thing is, you can NEVER be sure 100 percent that Tyson, Ali or Fraizer would tie the magic 49-0 record had they fought in Marciano's era.

good K

[Dempsey1238]

wasnt me, other poster on other fourm,

He had Fraizer vs Louis, Johnson's and others comp.

Not to say Fraizer would not go unbeating, but there are a lot of pitfalls(As he said)Could Fraizer go 49-0?? Of couse. But there is always the chance he might get upset here or there. Or being too green vs the likes of Eddie Ross(25-0 vs the Rock's 3-0)

If they could get though being short change our put in with GUYS over there level, they can get to the 49.

Ali could do it, but he was prone of being upset here or there(As with the case of Norton and Spinks)

I think Tyson would go to 35 and 0 or something and have that ONE night were he is upset.

Foreman?? I would think he COULD do it, but if he can get out of the early going with the Eddie Ross's(When Foreman was 2-0 or something) Than he could do it. I think Larzaza and Walcott, would be his biggest test. Charles has a shot also if he can wear out Foreman.


If we take the BEST of each fighter, sure they could beat anyone the Rock beat, but this is a Career, they are HUMAN, they may get in the fight out of shape(As Tyson did) or overlook something(As Ali did vs Norton) or the guy makes it to the 7 round to ko Foreman.

Anyman can beat anyman, when they get in the ring. Yes it was a bit of luck for Marciano to go 49-0(As in Marciano knocking down Larzarza in round 4, or the ko punch on Walcott)

Its possible, but you guys are making it seem much easier than it was.

[BKM-]

wasnt me, other poster on other fourm,

He had Fraizer vs Louis, Johnson's and others comp.

Not to say Fraizer would not go unbeating, but there are a lot of pitfalls(As he said)Could Fraizer go 49-0?? Of couse. But there is always the chance he might get upset here or there. Or being too green vs the likes of Eddie Ross(25-0 vs the Rock's 3-0)

If they could get though being short change our put in with GUYS over there level, they can get to the 49.

Ali could do it, but he was prone of being upset here or there(As with the case of Norton and Spinks)

I think Tyson would go to 35 and 0 or something and have that ONE night were he is upset.

Foreman?? I would think he COULD do it, but if he can get out of the early going with the Eddie Ross's(When Foreman was 2-0 or something) Than he could do it. I think Larzaza and Walcott, would be his biggest test. Charles has a shot also if he can wear out Foreman.


If we take the BEST of each fighter, sure they could beat anyone the Rock beat, but this is a Career, they are HUMAN, they may get in the fight out of shape(As Tyson did) or overlook something(As Ali did vs Norton) or the guy makes it to the 7 round to ko Foreman.

Anyman can beat anyman, when they get in the ring. Yes it was a bit of luck for Marciano to go 49-0(As in Marciano knocking down Larzarza in round 4, or the ko punch on Walcott)

Its possible, but you guys are making it seem much easier than it was.

Can you even say it better than this?
Very well said man. Especially about careers. People are delusional, they think they would be at their best for every single fight..49 fights. It comes down to Rocky being the most focused.

[ferocity]

if Rocky Marciano would of lived up to today you think he would of had more stardom and been more recognized as a legend than ali.
maybe he even would of been more liked than ali

since nobody answered your answer in the first 2 1/2 pages -i didn't read the rest- i'd say possably close ali is known almost all over the word. im sure rocky would have been very popular in states.

jack dempsey was still very popular after he retired from boxing.

[tommyhearns804]

If Rocky Marciano had more skill then maybe he wouldn't of been a worthless overatted piece of trash.

[SuzieQ49]

due to the lack of strong opposition?

walcot, moore, charles, and old louis isnt strong oppositiion?

[butterfly1964]

due to the lack of strong opposition?

walcot, moore, charles, and old louis isnt strong oppositiion?

nope.