How close was Hagler vs Duran

[Barn]

Rubbish!!.. Hagler was only minutes away from being stopped on cuts in the Hearns fight. Had it not been that Hearns "Broke his right hand" in the opening round, i'm sure Hagler would have been beaten.

Take away that Hearns victory from Hagler's resume, it then looks very thin indeed.

No, he wasn't in danger of being stopped. the cut was on the forehead but the blood was not flowing into the eye. The doctor seemed mad at the referee for calling time to get him to check on Hagler due to this.

[billeau2]

No, he wasn't in danger of being stopped. the cut was on the forehead but the blood was not flowing into the eye. The doctor seemed mad at the referee for calling time to get him to check on Hagler due to this.

Sonny tends to make history fit the way he sees things, its easier to hold an opinion that is questionable when you can sort of tweek the history, just a bit.... so hagler having a blood trickle becomes, a cut that almost stopped the fight

Most people don't know this but Rid**** Bowe didn't throw a championship belt into the garbage to avoid Lewis....ah heck no! he put the belt in a recyclable bin so it would be recycled into a prettier belt so that when he beat Lewis the belt would look nicer!

Aint that right Sony?

[sonnyboyx2]

Sonny tends to make history fit the way he sees things, its easier to hold an opinion that is questionable when you can sort of tweek the history, just a bit....

so hagler having a blood trickle

becomes, a cut that almost stopped the fight

Most people don't know this but Rid**** Bowe didn't throw a championship belt into the garbage to avoid Lewis....ah heck no! he put the belt in a recyclable bin so it would be recycled into a prettier belt so that when he beat Lewis the belt would look nicer!

Aint that right Sony?

Hagler was cut in the middle of his forhead and below his right eye. The commentator finished calling the fight saying, "It's Hagler covered in blood, blood no doubt impeeding his vision"... Just a trickle eh LOL

Thomas Hearns pressed Hagler for the next two years for a rematch. Hagler wanted nothing to do with Hearns, he knew he was fortunate in their first bout. Take away the Hearns victory from Haglers resume and it is very weak. Smaller British, European, South American fighters is who he fought, instead of the top 160lb fighters in the USA. Sugar Ray Leonard in his first fight in over 3yrs kicked his butt. Leonard was way past his best day's, having suffered detached retina trouble. Leonard and Roberto Duran exposed Hagler as "Nothing Special"...i would be hard pressed to pick Hagler to beat many of the middleweight champions of the last 25yrs.

[sonnyboyx2]

No, he wasn't in danger of being stopped. the cut was on the forehead but the blood was not flowing into the eye. The doctor seemed mad at the referee for calling time to get him to check on Hagler due to this.

Doctors dont stop prizefights.. referee's do

[Scott9945]

Doctors dont stop prizefights.. referee's do

When it comes to cuts, the referee almost always follows the advice of the doctor.

[Barn]

Hagler was cut in the middle of his forhead and below his right eye. The commentator finished calling the fight saying, "It's Hagler covered in blood, blood no doubt impeeding his vision"... Just a trickle eh LOL

That's what one of the commentators (whose job is to add drama) said, whereas a medical professional said "It's not bothering his sight, let him go."

Doctors dont stop prizefights.. referee's do

When it's to do with cuts, it's usually taking into account the advice of the ringside doctor. If Steele stopped the fight due to the cut without consulting the doctor who had previously given the OK, he would've been crucified.

[billeau2]

Hagler was cut in the middle of his forhead and below his right eye. The commentator finished calling the fight saying, "It's Hagler covered in blood, blood no doubt impeeding his vision"... Just a trickle eh LOL

Thomas Hearns pressed Hagler for the next two years for a rematch. Hagler wanted nothing to do with Hearns, he knew he was fortunate in their first bout. Take away the Hearns victory from Haglers resume and it is very weak. Smaller British, European, South American fighters is who he fought, instead of the top 160lb fighters in the USA. Sugar Ray Leonard in his first fight in over 3yrs kicked his butt. Leonard was way past his best day's, having suffered detached retina trouble. Leonard and Roberto Duran exposed Hagler as "Nothing Special"...i would be hard pressed to pick Hagler to beat many of the middleweight champions of the last 25yrs.

Ok so in your opinion it was a bad cut. This is a far cry from a fight ending cut...There were some people who thought Vitalie Klitscko could have continued his fight (I didn't) point being cuts have to be pretty bad to be fight ending. Most concerns regarding a cut like hagler's would be if the cut was targeted over time, not that it would constitute a fight ending event.

I recollect that Hearns was very impressed with Hagler's power, I don't remember any complaints from Hearns, hand or otherwise. I could be wrong, as this is a recollection.

When you say Duran and leonard exposed Hagler, you are talking about two guys who are on a short list that many believe even Hagler is not on... One could get exposed by worse.

[Ray Corso]

Hagler took Tommy's best shots, Tommy couldn't deal with Marvin's!
It's as simple as that and its on film to see if you don't believe me.
Hagler was a unique fighter in that he displayed a two handed attack from the conventional stance and the southpaw stance. He wasn't a power puncher but put combos together from either side and never neglected the body.
He had an outstanding education developed by fighting a wide variety of fighters with different styles and opponents who were more than willing to fight.
His cuts were not an issue when considering a tko stoppage. In Vitali's case that cut was on the verge of serious damage to the eye and eye socket. When you consider the amount of muscle and tendons and nerves in such a small area the depth of that cut was extremely serious.

Hagler rules today's middleweights with only GGG being a competitive opponent
and I'll take Hagler over him. Haglers work rate would expose GGG defensive liabilities. Haglers pro opponents diversity lends to his experience factor being far beyond GGG's.

Ray

I think the AP pole had 146-141 Hagler and that was ok by me. Close fight not a great fight but a good one.

[billeau2]

Hagler took Tommy's best shots, Tommy couldn't deal with Marvin's!
It's as simple as that and its on film to see if you don't believe me.
Hagler was a unique fighter in that he displayed a two handed attack from the conventional stance and the southpaw stance. He wasn't a power puncher but put combos together from either side and never neglected the body.
He had an outstanding education developed by fighting a wide variety of fighters with different styles and opponents who were more than willing to fight.
His cuts were not an issue when considering a tko stoppage. In Vitali's case that cut was on the verge of serious damage to the eye and eye socket. When you consider the amount of muscle and tendons and nerves in such a small area the depth of that cut was extremely serious.

Hagler rules today's middleweights with only GGG being a competitive opponent
and I'll take Hagler over him. Haglers work rate would expose GGG defensive liabilities. Haglers pro opponents diversity lends to his experience factor being far beyond GGG's.

Ray

I think the AP pole had 146-141 Hagler and that was ok by me. Close fight not a great fight but a good one.

Regarding each man dealing with each other's best shots, and Marvin getting the better, I remember Hearns saying as much.

[sonnyboyx2]

ok so in your opinion it was a bad cut. This is a far cry from a fight ending cut...there were some people who thought vitalie klitscko could have continued his fight (i didn't) point being cuts have to be pretty bad to be fight ending. Most concerns regarding a cut like hagler's would be if the cut was targeted over time, not that it would constitute a fight ending event.

I recollect that hearns was very impressed with hagler's power, i don't remember any complaints from hearns, hand or otherwise. I could be wrong, as this is a recollection.

When you say duran and leonard exposed hagler, you are talking about two guys who are on a short list that many believe even hagler is not on... One could get exposed by worse.

lol.........