Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[Heckler]

Now that I look at it, Ali realistically lost a ****load of fights in his career. Banks KO'd him, Jones was robbed of a decision, Cooper knocked him out with one punch, and Dundee cheated to save Ali. Liston took a dive when he was in much better shape than the first fight. An in shape Liston pummels Ali senseless. Chuvalo was beating Ali on the ropes constantly, and was robbed. Zora Folley was ahead on the cards before the bull**** fast count. Wepner knocked Ali out. Patterson was threatened by Ali's posse. Lyle was dominating Ali. The second Frazier fight, Ali should have been docked several points for excessive clinching, and Frazier would have won. In the third, Ali was going to quit, but Futch called it off too soon. Norton was robbed TWICE. He completely dominated Ali all 3 times. Lubbers and Shavers were robbed, and Spinks was screwed over the second time.

So all in all, Ali lost these fights:

Banks, Cooper I, Jones, Liston II, Chuvalo, Folley, Frazier I, Norton I, Norton II, Patterson II, Frazier II, Wepner, Lyle, Frazier III, Shavers, Lubbers, Spinks I, Spinks II, Holmes, Berbick

So Ali really had simply a journeymen's record of 41-20.

The guy has no idea what hes talking about whatsoever.. how did he loose against patterson the second time when it was stopped? How did he loose against Chuvalo when he completely dominated, against Norton in the rematch when he won by a round. Evidence of Ali quitting in the 15th after showing a great workrate the previous round and dominating Joe completely for 3 minutes? Joe was more shot then Ali was... ali could literally sit on the ropes for 3 minutes and win the fight.

Actually im not going to try explain to you why your such an ignorant moron... you just are and should be banned on grounds of ******ity. Do us a favour and go find your missing chromosomes.

[Brassangel]

Where you are completely wrong:
While Folley was winning on the cards, all that it took was a slap from Ali to knock him out. Zora didn't have a great chin, and everybody knows that. Even if Ali was technically behind, he was clearly the puncher in this match, and there's always a chance for the puncher.

Frazier would have died in fight 3 if it would have continued, and he really got outpointed in fight two. Yes, there was a lot of clinching, but does that mean that everybody who fought Tyson should have been docked a dozen points? It's a legit tactic (in most cases) to catch a breath against a pressure fighter and set up again. In fight one, Ali did deserve more rounds than Frazier, but given the atmosphere, drama, and heart of Smokin' Joe; not to mention a fantastic 15th round, he was given a well-earned decision. All in all, Ali probably won the majority of his battles with Frazier.

I can't believe you'd even consider his fights with Spinks important on his resume. That takes a jackass...

A younger Liston probably could have caught Ali. Unfortunately for him this wasn't the case. If Liston's mafia was so big and bad, why didn't they have Ali taken out after allegedly winning a boatload of money by betting on him and telling Liston to throw the fight? I guess that makes too much sense. No, he failed to prepare for either fight, he was old, and he quit...period. Plus, he even threw his shoulder out in their first meeting, which was later confirmed by medical records. When Ali caught him with an egg-scrambling punch in fight two, Liston could have gotten back up, but Ali was standing right above him, and his heart had all but disappeared by this point.

Wepner happened to catch Ali's body while he was tripping on his own shoe. This was hardly a legit knockdown. Even so, Ali came back to pummel Chuckie.

Patterson was barely in either fight with Ali. He followed Ali around instead of cutting off the ring, and his defense was subpar in both matches.

Lyle was performing well until Ali landed 16 unanswered punches to the head and Ron was basically out on his feet. True, he recovered quickly and felt as though the fight was premature. Given what was transpiring, however, that was a safe conclusion for the referee to make.

Where you may have a point, but you blew it way out of proportion:
The Cooper thing is always up for speculation.

Norton...okay, yeah, Ali was gifted here a little bit; same with Young.

All in all, you are way off base. While I believe that Ali was gifted some decisions, and the refs let him get away with more than most fighters, he certainly wasn't a journeyman. He would likely win a head-to-head match against most top-ten heavyweights in their respective primes.

[Frazier's 15th round]

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To get a W against Ali you had to completely and thoroughly dominate him. Even then, his fans today still think he won more rounds and beat Frazier the first time. Norton was constantly robbed, and his one victory where he broke Ali's jaw was only a split, and I think Leon fight was a split too. All of these guys beat him up badly, and that's what you had to do to.

I forgot about the Jimmy Young fight. So Ali is really 40-21.

[Southpaw Stinger]

I forgot about the Jimmy Young fight. So Ali is really 40-21.

You don't really believe that, you just enjoy being a ****..

[elgaringo]

Is this guy for real? What a twat!

[Heckler]

He's the local clown, he cries himself to sleep at night thinking about the injustice bestowed upon poor ol Joe Frazier... then he wakes up and unleashes an attack on Ali ON THE INTERNET like the true warrior he is. Ali did wrong, Ali apologized... get the **** over it.

[BKM-]

He's the local clown, he cries himself to sleep at night thinking about the injustice bestowed upon poor ol Joe Frazier... then he wakes up and unleashes an attack on Ali ON THE INTERNET like the true warrior he is. Ali did wrong, Ali apologized... get the **** over it.

Why does it bother you so much? You know damn well he aint THAT serious. Just ignore his posts..Like i ignore posts that say Tyson was a racist piece of ****.

[BAREKNUCKLES]

After reading through this, I now realize that Muhammad Ali was a club fighter.

All of his so-called victories were bought off---

The Rumble in the Jungle?----- totally fake. George Foreman fell down on purpose.

Those three fights with Joe Frazier? -----Some of the greatest acting of all time, the whole thing was staged.

As a matter of fact, it was all fake. The WWF actually ran those fights. Muhammad was actually a hair dresser named Rafael Smith.

The man we knew as Muhammad Ali actually styles women's hair in Beverly Hills.


It's time that the facts were out on the table. This matter is now closed.

[sleazyfellow]

yeah i heard rumble was staged, frazier was suppose to do a run in and hit ali with his left hook so foreman could get the victory, but it had go 10 rounds for that to happen....foreman was robbed! :/

[butterfly1964]

yeah i heard rumble was staged, frazier was suppose to do a run in and hit ali with his left hook so foreman could get the victory, but it had go 10 rounds for that to happen....foreman was robbed! :/

Yeah, that happens all the time in wrestling, lol!